this was turkey trying to expand and put border over middle east and north africa that had prior fallen apart
Thardein0707 on
This is not colonialism. This is standard imperial expansion just like every other land empire.
IKONTROLWATER on
You’re gonna break some redditers brains when its not white devils.
Edit: Triggered.
vikezz on
And we hated every second of it
Coolkurwa on
My favorite thing in history is when something starts out small and unassuming and then just takes over everything!Â
Like Rome starting out as an unassuming city state, or a few british trading posts in India and then they end up ruling the place, or some dude preaching in a Roman backwater and somehow starting the world’s biggest religion.
I really need to read up on the Ottomans.
Ekoloj on
Ottoman’s hasn’t any colonies. They have a Vilayets (province) or Eyalets (States). And if Ottomans a colonialist empire, probably todays little countries are never exist.
Fortheweaks on
Why is the map half French half another language (Portuguese ?). It’s not even modern French as it looks like, transposed from an old map ?
Busy_Refrigerator104 on
Does anyone know what it says in English?
Easy_Use_7270 on
Ottoman Empire didn’t have any colony. Each of these regions were either a core territory or an autonomous/vassal principality. In the core territories, the people had the same rights as the rest of the empire.
Vali1995 on
Western logic: If Ottomans did it too, then western colonialism is ok too
Calling this colonialism would be wrong regarding the time all of it took place.
chekitch on
Ottomans didn’t have colonies. They expanded/conquered..
But also, I have a feeling some here think colonialism is worse than conquer, and I am shocked by that. Why would you think that? They are just different things..
Automatic_Tough2022 on
This sub has become full of propaganda , it’s sad to see honestly, first arab colonialism now this , people suddenly doesn’t know the difference between colonialism, expansion and conquest, it’s like there is an agenda some people here trying to push and it reeks of hasbara bullshit.
Arbot14 on
Morocco: You shall not pass!!!
melandog1 on
Which language is that? Italian, Catalan? Got a lot of similarities with Portuguese
gdch93 on
I love this sub, because it constantly reminds us on who the real colonisers were and keep on being.
M1lkbot on
forgot to put a blue dot on Malta. Siege in 1565
classikman on
Ahh love the debate going on. Here’s a fun fact many European countries only considered Ottomans Turks European because they couldn’t stand the fact they were conquered by non Europeans. They used to white wash Turks now they are not as powerful and it’s the other way around.
Seventh_Stater on
And the world still feels its effects today.
Theycallmeahmed_ on
That’s not colonialism
GroundbreakingBox187 on
Not this trend again. There a very clear consensus in the historical record on what is and isn’t colonialism and I feel like this sub can never comprehend that. Migrations and conquests that could lead to ethnogensis vs actual colonists whose purpose is to colonize.
Crafty_Stomach3418 on
for the thousandth time, medieval imperialism ≠colonialism
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Remove Kebab intensifies
Stickeys on
Turks never do land acknowledgements or talk about being on “stolen land,” I wonder why that is
AcanthocephalaSea410 on
“Colonialism” is a word chosen to create confusion. Did the British establish settlements in India? No. They established them in Australia. As you can see, it is a problematic word. Colonialism is the exploitation of a distant place that is not part of you.
In Turkish, we use words meaning “exploitationism” or “absorptionism”. When you use this word, you don’t think of settlement. You think of impoverishing someone or sucking their blood.
Federal_Ad9582 on
I’m sorry but that’s not colonialism! Seriously look up what it means. This is just territorial expansion they literally didn’t do anything else but conquer and place people in these regions, tax the regions etc, just typical imperial stuff. Colonialism is very very different
Czezachias on
Is the map in occitan ?
Armisael2245 on
No colonies, no colonialism. This is garden variety imperialism.
thedarkpath on
Is every land conquest colonialism now ? Feel the word is being misused. Its just empired expanding and absorbing defeated neighbours.
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Historically intriguing, indeed!
colonialism?
colonialism definition
[https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/colonialism/](https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/colonialism/)
colonies are detached enclaves
this was turkey trying to expand and put border over middle east and north africa that had prior fallen apart
This is not colonialism. This is standard imperial expansion just like every other land empire.
You’re gonna break some redditers brains when its not white devils.
Edit: Triggered.
And we hated every second of it
My favorite thing in history is when something starts out small and unassuming and then just takes over everything!Â
Like Rome starting out as an unassuming city state, or a few british trading posts in India and then they end up ruling the place, or some dude preaching in a Roman backwater and somehow starting the world’s biggest religion.
I really need to read up on the Ottomans.
Ottoman’s hasn’t any colonies. They have a Vilayets (province) or Eyalets (States). And if Ottomans a colonialist empire, probably todays little countries are never exist.
Why is the map half French half another language (Portuguese ?). It’s not even modern French as it looks like, transposed from an old map ?
Does anyone know what it says in English?
Ottoman Empire didn’t have any colony. Each of these regions were either a core territory or an autonomous/vassal principality. In the core territories, the people had the same rights as the rest of the empire.
Western logic: If Ottomans did it too, then western colonialism is ok too
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Hallstatt_LaTene.png
Celtic colonialism
Calling this colonialism would be wrong regarding the time all of it took place.
Ottomans didn’t have colonies. They expanded/conquered..
But also, I have a feeling some here think colonialism is worse than conquer, and I am shocked by that. Why would you think that? They are just different things..
This sub has become full of propaganda , it’s sad to see honestly, first arab colonialism now this , people suddenly doesn’t know the difference between colonialism, expansion and conquest, it’s like there is an agenda some people here trying to push and it reeks of hasbara bullshit.
Morocco: You shall not pass!!!
Which language is that? Italian, Catalan? Got a lot of similarities with Portuguese
I love this sub, because it constantly reminds us on who the real colonisers were and keep on being.
forgot to put a blue dot on Malta. Siege in 1565
Ahh love the debate going on. Here’s a fun fact many European countries only considered Ottomans Turks European because they couldn’t stand the fact they were conquered by non Europeans. They used to white wash Turks now they are not as powerful and it’s the other way around.
And the world still feels its effects today.
That’s not colonialism
Not this trend again. There a very clear consensus in the historical record on what is and isn’t colonialism and I feel like this sub can never comprehend that. Migrations and conquests that could lead to ethnogensis vs actual colonists whose purpose is to colonize.
for the thousandth time, medieval imperialism ≠colonialism
Remove Kebab intensifies
Turks never do land acknowledgements or talk about being on “stolen land,” I wonder why that is
“Colonialism” is a word chosen to create confusion. Did the British establish settlements in India? No. They established them in Australia. As you can see, it is a problematic word. Colonialism is the exploitation of a distant place that is not part of you.
In Turkish, we use words meaning “exploitationism” or “absorptionism”. When you use this word, you don’t think of settlement. You think of impoverishing someone or sucking their blood.
I’m sorry but that’s not colonialism! Seriously look up what it means. This is just territorial expansion they literally didn’t do anything else but conquer and place people in these regions, tax the regions etc, just typical imperial stuff. Colonialism is very very different
Is the map in occitan ?
No colonies, no colonialism. This is garden variety imperialism.
Is every land conquest colonialism now ? Feel the word is being misused. Its just empired expanding and absorbing defeated neighbours.