When your country is so big that a Civil War looks like a World War.
zingo204 on
1 different alliance or just a slight change, and the geography of Eastern Europe would look completely different
Patient-Reindeer6311 on
Perfect setup for a new Far Cry game
Sergey_Kutsuk on
Improper western border of the Russian Empire for 1917 imho.
If it includes Galicia as conquered one why occupied Poland (by Germans) is still Russian?
I think better to show 1914 borders or 1918 borders (Treaty of Brest-Litowsk) though other European borders were vague at that moment.
Sergey_Kutsuk on
Also a snippet for the Finnish ‘communist’ Republic is omitted as I see. But maybe I am unobservant.
And different labelings in the map and in the chart are confusing. Imho
TanDereKK on
Why is Galicia shown as a part of Russia here?
global_namespace on
Where’s the Ukrainian People’s Republic?
Facensearo on
Well, some of them weren’t really existing, especially in depicted borders.
Worst examples from depicted are “Idel-Ural” which existed only in form of “Zabulachnaya Republic”, which controlled only a few city blocks in Kazan for a few weeks and “~~Green Ukraine~~” (“Far Eastern Ukrainian Republic” officially). which didn’t controlled any territory at all (only endless comitees with claims becaming wilder and wilder when actual support for them waned more and more); Odessa SR existed on the ground, but barely controlled claimed territory except city neighbourhood; Kokand borders are wild, being far wider than even historical Kokand Khanate.
(Also, of course, it’s only a small part of states and other polities, especially if we are going to include claimed and planned ones)
DrettTheBaron on
Where is the Czechoslovak Military Republic of the Transiberian Railway? /s
NonKanon on
This map is so ass. Barely includes half and gives incorrect names and borders. Refers to the White Army as “Czarist Army”, which is a myth easily disproven by just reading about political opinions and views on the Russian Republic of white generals. Some alliagences are incorrect. The ukrainian government in Kiev was overwhelmingly supportive of the White Army, Kiev even had a recruitment office for the Russian Volonteer Army
vladgrinch on
The Odessa Soviet Republic never expanded over Bessarabia as the map implies. It claimed the territory of Bessarabia, based on fake data according to which Bessarabia was mainly inhabited by ukrainians (a lie that was also written in the soviet ultimatum given to Romania in 1940; in reality there were never more than 20% ukrainians in Bessarabia, while the local romanian/moldovan population never went under 49-50% even after intense colonizations and deportations), but there was already a state proclaimed there called The Moldavian Democratic Republic with its capital at Chisinau (from the end of 1917). So the Moldavian Democratic Republic should have been presented on this map over Bessarabia as a short lived state, not the Odessa Soviet Republic. It’s one of the inaccuracies of this map.
I also took a look on the Wikipedia article about The Odessa Soviet Republic and noticed it also has several inaccuracies. The article was most likely last edited by russian or pro-russian users that presented some USSR/Russia narratives that are simply not true.
torkvato on
The most laughable thing here is not division of Russia
The most laughable thing here is unification to “Transcaucasian federation”
Astuar_Estuar on
Empire collapses. West being like: “russian civil war”.
itsShadowz01 on
You mistakened with Kokand to Turkestan Autonomy
Victrix8 on
Redditors wet dreams
Chairmanwowsaywhat on
I can’t zoom in to read it
Appropriate-Ball293 on
Why are the names of the cities on the map incorrect? Gulyaypole – huliaipole. Kyiv – kiev. Odesa – odessa. Russian propaganda again. At that time, there were many more people’s republics, and Ukraine was an independent country with its own constitution.
Any-Lifeguard-2596 on
Really cool map. Kudos !
Barsuk513 on
Siberia was cut up by different atamans and white monachists.
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When your country is so big that a Civil War looks like a World War.
1 different alliance or just a slight change, and the geography of Eastern Europe would look completely different
Perfect setup for a new Far Cry game
Improper western border of the Russian Empire for 1917 imho.
If it includes Galicia as conquered one why occupied Poland (by Germans) is still Russian?
I think better to show 1914 borders or 1918 borders (Treaty of Brest-Litowsk) though other European borders were vague at that moment.
Also a snippet for the Finnish ‘communist’ Republic is omitted as I see. But maybe I am unobservant.
And different labelings in the map and in the chart are confusing. Imho
Why is Galicia shown as a part of Russia here?
Where’s the Ukrainian People’s Republic?
Well, some of them weren’t really existing, especially in depicted borders.
Worst examples from depicted are “Idel-Ural” which existed only in form of “Zabulachnaya Republic”, which controlled only a few city blocks in Kazan for a few weeks and “~~Green Ukraine~~” (“Far Eastern Ukrainian Republic” officially). which didn’t controlled any territory at all (only endless comitees with claims becaming wilder and wilder when actual support for them waned more and more); Odessa SR existed on the ground, but barely controlled claimed territory except city neighbourhood; Kokand borders are wild, being far wider than even historical Kokand Khanate.
(Also, of course, it’s only a small part of states and other polities, especially if we are going to include claimed and planned ones)
Where is the Czechoslovak Military Republic of the Transiberian Railway? /s
This map is so ass. Barely includes half and gives incorrect names and borders. Refers to the White Army as “Czarist Army”, which is a myth easily disproven by just reading about political opinions and views on the Russian Republic of white generals. Some alliagences are incorrect. The ukrainian government in Kiev was overwhelmingly supportive of the White Army, Kiev even had a recruitment office for the Russian Volonteer Army
The Odessa Soviet Republic never expanded over Bessarabia as the map implies. It claimed the territory of Bessarabia, based on fake data according to which Bessarabia was mainly inhabited by ukrainians (a lie that was also written in the soviet ultimatum given to Romania in 1940; in reality there were never more than 20% ukrainians in Bessarabia, while the local romanian/moldovan population never went under 49-50% even after intense colonizations and deportations), but there was already a state proclaimed there called The Moldavian Democratic Republic with its capital at Chisinau (from the end of 1917). So the Moldavian Democratic Republic should have been presented on this map over Bessarabia as a short lived state, not the Odessa Soviet Republic. It’s one of the inaccuracies of this map.
I also took a look on the Wikipedia article about The Odessa Soviet Republic and noticed it also has several inaccuracies. The article was most likely last edited by russian or pro-russian users that presented some USSR/Russia narratives that are simply not true.
The most laughable thing here is not division of Russia
The most laughable thing here is unification to “Transcaucasian federation”
Empire collapses. West being like: “russian civil war”.
You mistakened with Kokand to Turkestan Autonomy
Redditors wet dreams
I can’t zoom in to read it
Why are the names of the cities on the map incorrect? Gulyaypole – huliaipole. Kyiv – kiev. Odesa – odessa. Russian propaganda again. At that time, there were many more people’s republics, and Ukraine was an independent country with its own constitution.
Really cool map. Kudos !
Siberia was cut up by different atamans and white monachists.