What are they actually replacing zero hour contracts with?
denyer-no1-fan on
So much of this was watered down. Rayner promised that the right to not get dismissed unfairly will come on day 1, now it’s up to 6 months. The right to turn off is supposed to be legally binding, now it’s just urging businesses to change their code of conduct. It’s also rumoured that zero-hour contracts won’t be banned either due to lobbying from business leaders.
This is why executives are happy to pay £30,000 for a breakfast with the Business Secretary, they save a lot more by keeping these exploitative practices.
stevefreeman20 on
Sold out to the wealthy individuals and big businesses that own the Labour party. Anyone who, despite every indication, thought that Starmers Labour Party was going to redress the imbalance between the rights of the employer and the rights of the employee, would buy magic beans.
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JimJonesdrinkkoolaid on
>Zero-hour contracts are also set to be axed if deemed “exploitative” under new laws.
>However, Labour has ceded some ground to business leaders, including abandoning a statutory “right to switch off”, the Times newspaper reports
If deemed exploitative sounds very subjective.
Also abandoning a statutory right to switch off seems very predictable for this Labour government.
Ok-Philosophy4182 on
all for the cost of a few Taylor swift tickets for ministers no doubt lmao.
REDARROW101_A5 on
>More than seven million workers ‘to get new rights from their first day of work’ in new Labour plans
Rights? What new Rights?
As others have said this is so watered down and there is hardly anything worth it here, so much for any promises.
This has actually made it worse. Especially for younger workers as some companies who hire young people for seasonal work have got more power to decide who they want buy doing mass interviews and then making it one big talent contest of you either have work or you don’t. Playing with people’s lives who may need that money.
While honestly I didn’t like Zero Hour contracts this should have only counted for companies that run more or less 365 Days a year, that actually where exploiting the system. For example a hotel I worked at where I kept getting little to nothing for months on end till I was let go for ironcially not working enough shifts, because they didn’t give me any work during my second year working for them and instead kept hiring new people also on Zero Hours Contracts. Rather than companies that may have run every holiday like Adventure Parks and Seasonal Venues.
This deal to me feels like a cop out on Labour and why I was skeptical of then from the start.
This is like getting a check for 50P to £1 from your family for Christmas after playing up the idea that you would be getting some money to help buy a new home…
peareauxThoughts on
The main gripe people have is low pay, so it would be better to get productivity and growth improving rather than making employment less flexible.
peareauxThoughts on
Great so we’ll have a load more employment tribunals and legal challenges determining if zero hours is ‘exploitative‘. We had the Next judgement that warehouse workers were overpaid even though they had to be paid more to attract them.
This is just going to increase costs on an already sluggish economy and we’ll then all be complaining that we’re not paid much and no ones hiring.
Disastrous_Fruit1525 on
Are there 7 million people waiting to start new jobs, or are they the sick and disabled that are going to be forced into work.
NihilismIsSparkles on
Does the change only apply to employees or do people who are classified as “worker” instead still have less rights?
Covid caused my job of two years to cancel like 30 of our contracts suddenly and because we were workers instead of employees none of us were ever entitled to redundancy….which was a little annoying losing your job/furlough In lockdown.
(The article above I think might be using the two terms interchangeably?)
CNash85 on
What happened to the promise of everyone being entitled to flexible working? Or is that in a different piece of legislation now?
essex-not-me on
Watch what you wish for. The law of unintended consequences comes to mind.
I’ve hired lots of people and at that back of my mind, I’ve always got the concern that interviews are a lottery. People can do well in interview and not be up to the job at all.
If you have doubts you certainly won’t take a chance if you’ve got to then go through a long performance improvement process (whilst they may not be performing) before you can dismiss. Many firms will simply use more agency staff on a “try before you buy” basis. Is that what you intended?
This change will reduce the number of permanent jobs available and in aggregate, reduce employees rights not improve them.
Mistakenjelly on
This is why labour are such a disgusting bunch of cunts.
They promise you the world on a stick, but have no intention of delivering on it, they promise they are not bent, that they don’t take bungs, they play you people for fools.
At least the Tories are upfront with how they don’t give a fuck.
Jamie00003 on
What happened to making the minimum wage based on the cost of living for the first time? Also the 4 day working thing is a joke, the companies that trialled this had their staff working LESS hours, one day off a week for the same pay, apparently the new law will be making you work the extra 8 hours the rest of the week. What a waste of time
The trial proved that it worked, so why has this been backtracked on?
Talentless67 on
What it means is, companies will no longer take a chance on an employee. Rather than saying let’s give them a try and see if they work out, they will not take the risk.
chaosandturmoil on
you mean all the rights workers had under the EU workers rights directives before brexit?
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What are they actually replacing zero hour contracts with?
So much of this was watered down. Rayner promised that the right to not get dismissed unfairly will come on day 1, now it’s up to 6 months. The right to turn off is supposed to be legally binding, now it’s just urging businesses to change their code of conduct. It’s also rumoured that zero-hour contracts won’t be banned either due to lobbying from business leaders.
This is why executives are happy to pay £30,000 for a breakfast with the Business Secretary, they save a lot more by keeping these exploitative practices.
Sold out to the wealthy individuals and big businesses that own the Labour party. Anyone who, despite every indication, thought that Starmers Labour Party was going to redress the imbalance between the rights of the employer and the rights of the employee, would buy magic beans.
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>Zero-hour contracts are also set to be axed if deemed “exploitative” under new laws.
>However, Labour has ceded some ground to business leaders, including abandoning a statutory “right to switch off”, the Times newspaper reports
If deemed exploitative sounds very subjective.
Also abandoning a statutory right to switch off seems very predictable for this Labour government.
all for the cost of a few Taylor swift tickets for ministers no doubt lmao.
>More than seven million workers ‘to get new rights from their first day of work’ in new Labour plans
Rights? What new Rights?
As others have said this is so watered down and there is hardly anything worth it here, so much for any promises.
This has actually made it worse. Especially for younger workers as some companies who hire young people for seasonal work have got more power to decide who they want buy doing mass interviews and then making it one big talent contest of you either have work or you don’t. Playing with people’s lives who may need that money.
While honestly I didn’t like Zero Hour contracts this should have only counted for companies that run more or less 365 Days a year, that actually where exploiting the system. For example a hotel I worked at where I kept getting little to nothing for months on end till I was let go for ironcially not working enough shifts, because they didn’t give me any work during my second year working for them and instead kept hiring new people also on Zero Hours Contracts. Rather than companies that may have run every holiday like Adventure Parks and Seasonal Venues.
This deal to me feels like a cop out on Labour and why I was skeptical of then from the start.
This is like getting a check for 50P to £1 from your family for Christmas after playing up the idea that you would be getting some money to help buy a new home…
The main gripe people have is low pay, so it would be better to get productivity and growth improving rather than making employment less flexible.
Great so we’ll have a load more employment tribunals and legal challenges determining if zero hours is ‘exploitative‘. We had the Next judgement that warehouse workers were overpaid even though they had to be paid more to attract them.
This is just going to increase costs on an already sluggish economy and we’ll then all be complaining that we’re not paid much and no ones hiring.
Are there 7 million people waiting to start new jobs, or are they the sick and disabled that are going to be forced into work.
Does the change only apply to employees or do people who are classified as “worker” instead still have less rights?
Covid caused my job of two years to cancel like 30 of our contracts suddenly and because we were workers instead of employees none of us were ever entitled to redundancy….which was a little annoying losing your job/furlough In lockdown.
(The article above I think might be using the two terms interchangeably?)
What happened to the promise of everyone being entitled to flexible working? Or is that in a different piece of legislation now?
Watch what you wish for. The law of unintended consequences comes to mind.
I’ve hired lots of people and at that back of my mind, I’ve always got the concern that interviews are a lottery. People can do well in interview and not be up to the job at all.
If you have doubts you certainly won’t take a chance if you’ve got to then go through a long performance improvement process (whilst they may not be performing) before you can dismiss. Many firms will simply use more agency staff on a “try before you buy” basis. Is that what you intended?
This change will reduce the number of permanent jobs available and in aggregate, reduce employees rights not improve them.
This is why labour are such a disgusting bunch of cunts.
They promise you the world on a stick, but have no intention of delivering on it, they promise they are not bent, that they don’t take bungs, they play you people for fools.
At least the Tories are upfront with how they don’t give a fuck.
What happened to making the minimum wage based on the cost of living for the first time? Also the 4 day working thing is a joke, the companies that trialled this had their staff working LESS hours, one day off a week for the same pay, apparently the new law will be making you work the extra 8 hours the rest of the week. What a waste of time
The trial proved that it worked, so why has this been backtracked on?
What it means is, companies will no longer take a chance on an employee. Rather than saying let’s give them a try and see if they work out, they will not take the risk.
you mean all the rights workers had under the EU workers rights directives before brexit?