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Discussion Thread: 2024 Vice Presidential Debate Between Senator J.D. Vance and Governor Tim Walz, Part 4 (Post-Debate Thread)
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48 Comments

  1. If you prefer someone well versed in debating, yet avoiding answering the majority of questions while directly claiming to answer said questions whilst continuously tossing in rehearsed anecdotes combined with few factual numbers to support those statements, then Vance won.

    If you prefer someone that knows his important information pertaining to the middle class that he’s dealt with as a Governor, yet not being polished and occasionally stumbling as a result but showing a genuine personality in the midst of those hiccups, then Walz won.

  2. ThomasJCarcetti on

    Very concillatory and JD was more calmer than he was on the trail

    He still lied through his teeth though but without the pompus flair of Trump

  3. Walz missed the opportunity the whole debate to say “they aren’t Kamala Harris’s policies and leadership. She’s the VP. Senator, you need to understand what the job you’re applying for entails. VP doesn’t set policies.”

  4. faceintheblue on

    “Did Donald Trump lose the 2020 election?”

    JD Vance refuses to answer, spluttering something about looking to the future not the past.

    “That is a damning non-answer.”

    There you go. To the extent that a VP debate shapes anyone’s decision-making, that’s the 10 seconds that will be repeated for the next month.

  5. ciongduopppytrllbv on

    TLDW: JD Vance tried to cosplay as a Democrat, but it’s tough to fake it when you keep needing to defend Trump.

  6. ConfederacyOfDunces_ on

    If felt like Walz was talking to me and America.

    It felt like Vance was a corporate lawyer defending Trump

  7. JD should probably read the job description of the VP considering how much he believes Kamala is in charge of

  8. My biggest takeaways:

    – Walz isn’t very good at this debate thing, but he did his best.
    – JD Vance does not know what the Vice President does.

  9. darodardar_Inc on

    EASILY the most important moment of the debate was when Vance was asked directly “did Donald Trump lose the 2020 election?” And vance refused to answer

  10. I’ll be voting for the candidate that *doesn’t* complain about being fact checked when they get caught telling lies.

  11. Parallel-Quality on

    Vance was doing really well until he refused to admit that January 6 happened.

    The issue with Walz in this debate was that he was too nice. He wasn’t willing to go for the jugular, whereas Vance had no issue lying or misrepresenting his opponent.

  12. Specialist_Mouse_418 on

    Walz won more of the senior vote with his health care talk, and that’s important.

  13. BPtheUnflying on

    Walz had a lot to lose in this debate and he didn’t. I’m proud with what he did

  14. Lazy-Sisyphus on

    I feel like Walz did enough to edge himself out as the “winner”

    but unfortunately the fact that Vance managed to not make himself look like a complete fucking buffoon for 90 minutes is gonna be the bigger story

  15. Vance not being able to say that Trump lost the 2020 election is THE moment. Damning non-answer indeed. 

  16. It was interesting how much Vance tried to make it sound like Kamala has been president for the last 3.5 years. He definitely was far better prepared than Trump was.

  17. Pretty crazy that Vance claimed to never support a national abortion ban. They really do rely on their voters being the stupidest people alive, huh?

  18. > Harris campaign claims that Vance’s answer on January 6, which he claimed was “peaceful” and caused by Facebook ads, scored him his lowest rating of the night amid dial focus group battleground undecideds

  19. Tim Walz: “we’re pro women, pro choice, pro freedom”

    JD Vance: “I know a woman, she’s watching right now, hello woman”

  20. CNN is out of their minds thinking Vance knocked Walz out. Vance did better than I expected but at best it was a draw for Vance. Walz killed him in the second half of the debate on abortion, healthcare, childcare, and capping it all off asking Vance if Trump lost the election in 2020.

  21. BrandonTeabagsTrump on

    Chris Hayes: “the level of gaslighting to say Donald Trump saved the ACA ????”

  22. Suitable-Rest-1358 on

    Walzs closing statements: Like the great Roosevelt once said, The Only thing we have to fear is Fear itself.

    JD: we never talked energy somehow. My grandma got cold in Ohio once.

  23. Walz was speaking to the American people.

    Vance was speaking to make sure he didn’t have an orange turd yelling at him over the phone later tonight.

  24. ChrisIsUninteresting on

    > JD Vance is a smooth liar, but a smooth lie is still a lie.

    Joy Reid on MSNBC

  25. burgundybreakfast on

    What many commenters see here as a refreshing civility, I see as a deliberate attempt on Vance’s part to make the Republican Party seem less insane. He clearly amped up the pleasantries to overcompensate for his running mate. It’s all bullshit.

  26. AmbitionExtension184 on

    MAGA has no platform. They run on problems but have no solutions.

    Vance is good at spin, I’ll give him that. But I heard 0 answers only problems.

  27. GimmieJohnson on

    That last undecided voter (Woman) was absolutely useless and shouldn’t even be there.

    We have a woman running for president and she’s like “Welllll I don’t see any representation for women and not sure who I’m voting for if I’m gonna vote.”

    Absolutely stupid.

  28. theamazingcricket on

    At this point, I feel like undecided voters just like the attention of saying they’re an undecided voter.

  29. ImprovementSilly2895 on

    Vance is a dangerous man. He’s smart enough to know better, yet he does what he does.

  30. Magificent_Gradient on

    “When Mike Pence certified that election – That’s why Mike Pence isn’t on this stage.”

    Walz won this night with that line alone.

  31. MattTheSmithers on

    One thing that I took away from this debate — Vance seems to like and respect Tim Walz. The same Vance who seems to, on a personal level, despise Donald Trump.

    What this tells me is J.D. Vance, the man, is probably pretty similar to the guy who wrote Hillbilly Elegy and sent those texts calling Trump Hitler in terms of Vance’s personal belief, demeanor, values, etc.

    What this also tells me, given that it is so much in contrast with who he has been since entering the public life, is that J.D. Vance is an opportunist whose actual principles and ethics mean less to him than his own personal ambition.

    In other words, this is the exact type of man who has no business being in power.

  32. Soggy_Car_8685 on

    People are so numb to Trump antics they think this debate was civil. Vance literally complained about being fact-checked lol

  33. Best line in the debate “when Mike Pence made that decision to certify that election, that’s why Mike Pence isn’t on this stage”

  34. thismorningscoffee on

    One candidate couldn’t remember the difference of a single month of something that happened over 30 years ago

    One candidate couldn’t remember who won the 2020 election

    There’s no question who won