>A surgeon removed Amy’s breasts the day she turned 16.
>There was no “psych evaluation,” she said, no mental health assessment before the double mastectomy to explore why she felt so unhappy and miserable with her body.
>When her worried parents asked the surgeon if their daughter was old enough to consent, they were assured that the surgeon had worked on even younger patients seeking female-to-male masculinizing chest surgery.
>Amy hoped her chest or “top” surgery would be the end of her problems. Then her mental health spiralled.
AlbertaSmart on
It’s almost as if teenagers, with their not yet developed brains, being inundated with ‘pronouns’, are too young to make this decision. Crazy. Who woulda thought…..
MrWonderfulPoop on
Who could have seen this coming?
Time_Philosophy_6104 on
I thought we weren’t allowed to talk about this on Reddit?
NorthernHusky2020 on
Anyone want to guess how fast the accusations of “transphobic hate from the NP” posts will come in? Stop guys, transition regret with irreversible side effects aren’t real. Don’t share stories like these because 99.99999% of people don’t regret their transition…, or something.
Also, remember the “kids aren’t getting surgeries” trope? Are we now in the “it doesn’t happen, but if it does, it’s a good thing” phase?
I need clarification.
Nonamanadus on
Buyers regret. You are going to hear a lot more cases in the years to come.
People have a bad habit of jumping on the bandwagon, convincing themselves this, or that will make their lives better. From voting for nut cases to jumping on the next miracle cure, this is no different. It is just harder to reverse than an unwanted tattoo.
jameskchou on
Transitioning is a life-changing commitment. Even adults who go through it have serious challenges for a variety of reasons. Imagine if kids are being talked into it without realising the long-term impacts or have it done while in the middle of puberty…
PetiteMyriam on
The article is actually decent. Sad stories. I hope they will all be okay.
I don’t think this article is transphobic. It’s just telling fact that happened.
However i won’t be surprised if this article is used against us. But what can you do.
L0cked-0ut on
Funny how the ones they were fighting for they now hold contempt for and have shunned because they feel regret, how very tolerant and loving.
ShiftyGorillla on
Judgement aside, I’m curious to know what percentage of those who have transitioned, who now regret their choice.
I’m not positioning this any particular way, as I have no stake in this. Just curious to know if it’s a significant number, or a small minority.
I don’t know if I support children being allowed to make these choices. But I also haven’t experienced the body issues that these folks have, so probably not fair of me to comment.
undeniablepod on
An other headline from facts in this very article reads: “Less than one percent of trans people who go through surgery wish to detransition we talked to 6 of them.”
Doesn’t distract from the corporate oligarchy ruling Canadians but maybe puts it into perspective for the readers before they start to spread their hate and fear
ThegodsAreNotToBlame on
This is sad…
Destinlegends on
Remember that women that made a documentary dressing up,living like and convinc8ng people she eas a man in an effort to prove and experience first hand that being a man was so much easier? Well in fact she experienced the opposite and had to quit early while her mental health spiraled out of control and later she killed herself.
Past_Plenty6699 on
To be quite honest this entire agenda is out of control. If at the time of 18 one decides to transition I do nit have any fundamental problem with it. My issue is doing this to children who one day want one thing and the next day want something else.
We are essentially saying they are old enough to make these decisions yet contradict ourselves when we say age of consent for a tattoo or gambling is 18.
There is an agenda being pushed and the ones who are being sacrificed will pay for it in the coming years. This is just one example of which I am sure there are many.
I just struggle with the fact that the medical community can get away with this.
jkinman on
There’s no coming back. Should have mentioned that probably.
wewfarmer on
>[A systematic review published in August](https://www.americanjournalofsurgery.com/article/S0002-9610(24)00238-1/abstract) found that rates of regret after gender-affirming surgery are lower (one per cent) than regret rates for other plastic surgeries (19.5 per cent for bariatric surgery) or major life decisions like having a child (seven per cent).
Sounds like the rates are very low but some folks are still slipping through the cracks. The article also seems to hint at a solution.
>Studies have also found that detransitioners would have benefitted from more “robust” discussions about the risks and benefits of gender-affirming interventions before they agreed to puberty blockers, hormones or surgery.
The conclusion seems to be to hold doctors to a higher standard so these cases don’t happen. I’m sure the commenters here will definitely agree and not jump to other “solutions”.
Downtown-Word1023 on
>A systematic review published in August found that rates of regret after gender-affirming surgery are lower (one per cent) than regret rates for other plastic surgeries (19.5 per cent for bariatric surgery) or major life decisions like having a child (seven per cent).
You are delusional if you think that surgeons are just lopping off the breasts of healthy 18 year olds with no psych evaluation. Anyone who’s been affiliated with trans healthcare knows they have to jump through infinite hoops that seemingly lead nowhere before they even get started with consultations. We are only hearing one side of the story, which is disingenuous at best. These people researched what questions would be asked and what the right answers were. They did this because they wanted to be cool. It shouldn’t be surprising that they regret everything. Irreversibly changing your body for cool points is embarrassing. Like most embarrassed people they now want to save face by blaming it on everyone and everything but themselves.
TiredEnglishStudent on
It’s crazy that surgeries are covered by the provinces but we still have little to no coverage for regular therapy. It’s like skipping steps A through F and going straight to step G.
I’m not saying surgeries shouldn’t be covered, but such a huge transition shouldn’t come in a mental health care desert.
Hotdog_Broth on
Taking bets on what the longest argument thread will be before the post gets locked.
89 comments is my guess
I_poop_rootbeer on
>They were irreversibly altered with mastectomies, hormone therapies when they were in their teens. What happens when they want their bodies back?
It’s too bad that any one who speaks against teens being allowed to make irreversible changes to their bodies is labeled a “bigot”.
HurlinVermin on
I just feel sorry for these people–not in a smug or belittling way, but in a literal way–that struggle so much with their identity. It must be hellish to do something radical like this only to feel a deep sense of regret afterwards and to be rejected by the organizations that had previously championed their initial transitions.
BlueDotty on
Having regret for decisions you make is part of being a grown-up
Smooth-Evening- on
It’s not just for transition. Plastic surgery is a complicated and permanent process.
Rory-liz-bath on
I think Amy should have waiting till she was a bit older to make this decision, isint there a fund for them to detransition, if not someone should implement a charity for this exact situation as I think it might become more common, hopefully not but there are cases where that would be of great help to other like this
paintwhore on
It sounds like in everybody’s cases there are some malpractice concerns with the doctors performing surgeries on people under 18 without a mental health check first.
Bbooya on
I’m upset they were convinced to go along with these irreversible surgeries.
Let kids be kids please
Ok_Height_1429 on
I feel this would have been me if I was a youngster in this day and age. I was the butchiest girl (still) when I was little and I always asked why my parents treated my brothers differently, why they went out more, why the other girls didn’t like playing sports during recess and I felt comfortable playing with the boys (I only have brothers). If someone came in and told me.. hey, you can become a boy, have your breasts reduced (a big source of shame and bad self-esteem for me) and possibly PEE STANDING :0 and that would make everything better!!! I would have done it and regretted it as I aged and matured. My gender, sexuality and identity have not stopped me from relating to people of all shapes. I’ve had depression and bad mental health before and that got better when I understood my brain chemistry, my nutrient deficiencies, my neurodivergence and health etc(and yes, therapy)… making a surgeon richer by transitioning would have not done anything for me. I know it’s life changing for so many -more power to you- but are people being guided responsibly by the system to understand what is it that they truly need? I can’t even get an in person appointment with my dr without having to wait for several days.
asoiahats on
A few years ago I dated a paediatrician who ran a clinic for LGBTQ teens. One time she told me about gender affirming care for an 8 year old. I said that I’m all for supporting trans people, but can a kid that young be certain. She told me yes and I didn’t question it because she ostensibly knows what she’s talking about and comes off as very caring.
Clearly we need to start questioning these docs.
DarkLobber on
I highly recommend people check out r/detrans. It’s very eye opening and heartbreaking. A lot of hurt people who need better support.
fanatic26 on
Its almost like mutilating a childs body is a bad idea….
Brickbronson on
Sad story. I’m convinced that the trans boom will be looked back on the same way we think of the satanic panic and wonder what people were thinking
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>A surgeon removed Amy’s breasts the day she turned 16.
>There was no “psych evaluation,” she said, no mental health assessment before the double mastectomy to explore why she felt so unhappy and miserable with her body.
>When her worried parents asked the surgeon if their daughter was old enough to consent, they were assured that the surgeon had worked on even younger patients seeking female-to-male masculinizing chest surgery.
>Amy hoped her chest or “top” surgery would be the end of her problems. Then her mental health spiralled.
It’s almost as if teenagers, with their not yet developed brains, being inundated with ‘pronouns’, are too young to make this decision. Crazy. Who woulda thought…..
Who could have seen this coming?
I thought we weren’t allowed to talk about this on Reddit?
Anyone want to guess how fast the accusations of “transphobic hate from the NP” posts will come in? Stop guys, transition regret with irreversible side effects aren’t real. Don’t share stories like these because 99.99999% of people don’t regret their transition…, or something.
Also, remember the “kids aren’t getting surgeries” trope? Are we now in the “it doesn’t happen, but if it does, it’s a good thing” phase?
I need clarification.
Buyers regret. You are going to hear a lot more cases in the years to come.
People have a bad habit of jumping on the bandwagon, convincing themselves this, or that will make their lives better. From voting for nut cases to jumping on the next miracle cure, this is no different. It is just harder to reverse than an unwanted tattoo.
Transitioning is a life-changing commitment. Even adults who go through it have serious challenges for a variety of reasons. Imagine if kids are being talked into it without realising the long-term impacts or have it done while in the middle of puberty…
The article is actually decent. Sad stories. I hope they will all be okay.
I don’t think this article is transphobic. It’s just telling fact that happened.
However i won’t be surprised if this article is used against us. But what can you do.
Funny how the ones they were fighting for they now hold contempt for and have shunned because they feel regret, how very tolerant and loving.
Judgement aside, I’m curious to know what percentage of those who have transitioned, who now regret their choice.
I’m not positioning this any particular way, as I have no stake in this. Just curious to know if it’s a significant number, or a small minority.
I don’t know if I support children being allowed to make these choices. But I also haven’t experienced the body issues that these folks have, so probably not fair of me to comment.
An other headline from facts in this very article reads: “Less than one percent of trans people who go through surgery wish to detransition we talked to 6 of them.”
Doesn’t distract from the corporate oligarchy ruling Canadians but maybe puts it into perspective for the readers before they start to spread their hate and fear
This is sad…
Remember that women that made a documentary dressing up,living like and convinc8ng people she eas a man in an effort to prove and experience first hand that being a man was so much easier? Well in fact she experienced the opposite and had to quit early while her mental health spiraled out of control and later she killed herself.
To be quite honest this entire agenda is out of control. If at the time of 18 one decides to transition I do nit have any fundamental problem with it. My issue is doing this to children who one day want one thing and the next day want something else.
We are essentially saying they are old enough to make these decisions yet contradict ourselves when we say age of consent for a tattoo or gambling is 18.
There is an agenda being pushed and the ones who are being sacrificed will pay for it in the coming years. This is just one example of which I am sure there are many.
I just struggle with the fact that the medical community can get away with this.
There’s no coming back. Should have mentioned that probably.
>[A systematic review published in August](https://www.americanjournalofsurgery.com/article/S0002-9610(24)00238-1/abstract) found that rates of regret after gender-affirming surgery are lower (one per cent) than regret rates for other plastic surgeries (19.5 per cent for bariatric surgery) or major life decisions like having a child (seven per cent).
Sounds like the rates are very low but some folks are still slipping through the cracks. The article also seems to hint at a solution.
>Studies have also found that detransitioners would have benefitted from more “robust” discussions about the risks and benefits of gender-affirming interventions before they agreed to puberty blockers, hormones or surgery.
The conclusion seems to be to hold doctors to a higher standard so these cases don’t happen. I’m sure the commenters here will definitely agree and not jump to other “solutions”.
>A systematic review published in August found that rates of regret after gender-affirming surgery are lower (one per cent) than regret rates for other plastic surgeries (19.5 per cent for bariatric surgery) or major life decisions like having a child (seven per cent).
You are delusional if you think that surgeons are just lopping off the breasts of healthy 18 year olds with no psych evaluation. Anyone who’s been affiliated with trans healthcare knows they have to jump through infinite hoops that seemingly lead nowhere before they even get started with consultations. We are only hearing one side of the story, which is disingenuous at best. These people researched what questions would be asked and what the right answers were. They did this because they wanted to be cool. It shouldn’t be surprising that they regret everything. Irreversibly changing your body for cool points is embarrassing. Like most embarrassed people they now want to save face by blaming it on everyone and everything but themselves.
It’s crazy that surgeries are covered by the provinces but we still have little to no coverage for regular therapy. It’s like skipping steps A through F and going straight to step G.
I’m not saying surgeries shouldn’t be covered, but such a huge transition shouldn’t come in a mental health care desert.
Taking bets on what the longest argument thread will be before the post gets locked.
89 comments is my guess
>They were irreversibly altered with mastectomies, hormone therapies when they were in their teens. What happens when they want their bodies back?
It’s too bad that any one who speaks against teens being allowed to make irreversible changes to their bodies is labeled a “bigot”.
I just feel sorry for these people–not in a smug or belittling way, but in a literal way–that struggle so much with their identity. It must be hellish to do something radical like this only to feel a deep sense of regret afterwards and to be rejected by the organizations that had previously championed their initial transitions.
Having regret for decisions you make is part of being a grown-up
It’s not just for transition. Plastic surgery is a complicated and permanent process.
I think Amy should have waiting till she was a bit older to make this decision, isint there a fund for them to detransition, if not someone should implement a charity for this exact situation as I think it might become more common, hopefully not but there are cases where that would be of great help to other like this
It sounds like in everybody’s cases there are some malpractice concerns with the doctors performing surgeries on people under 18 without a mental health check first.
I’m upset they were convinced to go along with these irreversible surgeries.
Let kids be kids please
I feel this would have been me if I was a youngster in this day and age. I was the butchiest girl (still) when I was little and I always asked why my parents treated my brothers differently, why they went out more, why the other girls didn’t like playing sports during recess and I felt comfortable playing with the boys (I only have brothers). If someone came in and told me.. hey, you can become a boy, have your breasts reduced (a big source of shame and bad self-esteem for me) and possibly PEE STANDING :0 and that would make everything better!!! I would have done it and regretted it as I aged and matured. My gender, sexuality and identity have not stopped me from relating to people of all shapes. I’ve had depression and bad mental health before and that got better when I understood my brain chemistry, my nutrient deficiencies, my neurodivergence and health etc(and yes, therapy)… making a surgeon richer by transitioning would have not done anything for me. I know it’s life changing for so many -more power to you- but are people being guided responsibly by the system to understand what is it that they truly need? I can’t even get an in person appointment with my dr without having to wait for several days.
A few years ago I dated a paediatrician who ran a clinic for LGBTQ teens. One time she told me about gender affirming care for an 8 year old. I said that I’m all for supporting trans people, but can a kid that young be certain. She told me yes and I didn’t question it because she ostensibly knows what she’s talking about and comes off as very caring.
Clearly we need to start questioning these docs.
I highly recommend people check out r/detrans. It’s very eye opening and heartbreaking. A lot of hurt people who need better support.
Its almost like mutilating a childs body is a bad idea….
Sad story. I’m convinced that the trans boom will be looked back on the same way we think of the satanic panic and wonder what people were thinking
lol is the dam breaking yet?