Cardio is risky for everyone, rip. Instead stick to weight training.
ThinkOfTheFood on
Promising footballers really do have poor life outcomes, don’t they? Glad I was always shit at the game.
Popeychops on
Really tragic that so many young people die of unexpected heart problems. There’s no easy way to catch them either, how often do young people get ECGs or chest CT scans?
Welshhoppo on
I went to school with someone like this.
Was 16, played in the school football team and the local under 18s, super fit. Would run laps around the track.
Mid game he came down with something like a mild flu and had to go sit on the bench, died minutes later from a massive heart attack. Wouldn’t have known 5 minutes earlier, was horrible.
Kowai03 on
I don’t understand why an ECG screening test isn’t performed on all young people as standard. Instead it takes someone young dying for screening to be offered to families (and sometimes not even then).
unworthyscrote on
Kind of “truther” bait
Adds to the “just asking questions” types but its not until you get halfway down the article you realise it happened in 2013
But of course Sudden arrhythmic death syndrome didn’t happen before
THE VAXX!
(And there is no such thing as contrary evidence 😗)
Wouldn’t hurt them to include a timeframe in the title, no?
Eg “over 10 years on” , “a decade later” etc etc
Boatus on
So there’s a lot of misinformation on this thread that I’d like to clear up and maybe explain a few things. I’m a medical registrar (a medical doctor that’s been qualified too long and is paid woefully for the shit I deal with). So here’s a few things;
1) a blood test
Won’t show a thing. There’s very few cardiac abnormalities that will show up on a set of bloods. Even then, they’re transient things (such as certain electrolyte abnormalities) and would only be really useful in an acute setting where there’s a problem. Screening will do nothing.
2)CT scans
People love a CT. They are however ionising radiation and we do it if we need to. The threshold is lower in older people as the risk of developing cancer due to the scan is lower (time being the main thing because if it does cause cancer in a 80-90 year old, something else will likely be their final illness rather than the cancer caused by the scan. The risk is not insignificant. I deal with PEs(blood clots in the lungs) a lot. There’s a 13.6% increase risk in breast cancer if performed in a pregnant woman. CTPA along has a 1:1000-1:10000 risk of cancer. There’s no way in hell you’ll get a good doctor screening otherwise well people with this amount of radiation “just in case”.
3) ECGs
A tracing of the heart that is a snapshot. It can pick up some changes but in a lot of cases they’re again used for acute things. There are chronic changes we see in ECGs and given the low cost, they’re a good tool. They however are not going to solve the problem. What you really want is a movie, not a picture which is a convenient Segway to…
>Appropriate screening in potential athletes.
In my mind, and if either of my children wished to become athletes (I’d be genuinely upset if they wanted to be doctors) then I feel the only appropriate screen would be a holter (up to 72 hour long ECG traces) to see if there’s a paroxysmal (intermittent) arrhythmia and an echo (an ultrasound of the heart to assess its function and if there are changes that could lead to sudden cardiac death (things like HOCM). In an ideal world these could be done during onboarding in children scouted by clubs. The limiting factor like all things though is cost
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NotMyRealName981 on
I wonder if smart watches will become smart enough to provide early warnings of conditions like this? My 5 year old running watch logs my heart rate all the time, which I download later, and I wear it about 16 hours per day. That’s just using an LED shining into the blood vessels in my wrist. The individual measurements probably have little value, but as watches are worn for long periods of time perhaps worrying trends could be identified?
londons_explorer on
I would like to point out he is no longer ‘completely healthy’.
buffalojumped69 on
It might have changed in recent years but these types of arrhythmias were often mis- or undiagnosed. Growing up, I was a multi sport player who occasionally had my pulse jump above 200 bpm for minutes, even when not exercising.
Went to the doctor multiple times. Wore a monitor for weeks, got taken off of caffeine, told it was nothing that a doctor could pin down maybe 10 times.
By the time I was in my early 30s, just kind of accepted it. I was sitting at my desk at work one day and had an episode. Mentioned it to a coworker who felt my pulse, stood up and called her sister – a person who worked for a cardiologist in Long Beach, California. This doctor specialized in electrocardiography. Two weeks later I had a cardiac ablation to fix my WPW.
NurseRatched96 on
It’s usually brugarda syndrome, very sad he was so young. I think it should be standard to have a defib at all intense sports events
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Cardio is risky for everyone, rip. Instead stick to weight training.
Promising footballers really do have poor life outcomes, don’t they? Glad I was always shit at the game.
Really tragic that so many young people die of unexpected heart problems. There’s no easy way to catch them either, how often do young people get ECGs or chest CT scans?
I went to school with someone like this.
Was 16, played in the school football team and the local under 18s, super fit. Would run laps around the track.
Mid game he came down with something like a mild flu and had to go sit on the bench, died minutes later from a massive heart attack. Wouldn’t have known 5 minutes earlier, was horrible.
I don’t understand why an ECG screening test isn’t performed on all young people as standard. Instead it takes someone young dying for screening to be offered to families (and sometimes not even then).
Kind of “truther” bait
Adds to the “just asking questions” types but its not until you get halfway down the article you realise it happened in 2013
But of course Sudden arrhythmic death syndrome didn’t happen before
THE VAXX!
(And there is no such thing as contrary evidence 😗)
Wouldn’t hurt them to include a timeframe in the title, no?
Eg “over 10 years on” , “a decade later” etc etc
So there’s a lot of misinformation on this thread that I’d like to clear up and maybe explain a few things. I’m a medical registrar (a medical doctor that’s been qualified too long and is paid woefully for the shit I deal with). So here’s a few things;
1) a blood test
Won’t show a thing. There’s very few cardiac abnormalities that will show up on a set of bloods. Even then, they’re transient things (such as certain electrolyte abnormalities) and would only be really useful in an acute setting where there’s a problem. Screening will do nothing.
2)CT scans
People love a CT. They are however ionising radiation and we do it if we need to. The threshold is lower in older people as the risk of developing cancer due to the scan is lower (time being the main thing because if it does cause cancer in a 80-90 year old, something else will likely be their final illness rather than the cancer caused by the scan. The risk is not insignificant. I deal with PEs(blood clots in the lungs) a lot. There’s a 13.6% increase risk in breast cancer if performed in a pregnant woman. CTPA along has a 1:1000-1:10000 risk of cancer. There’s no way in hell you’ll get a good doctor screening otherwise well people with this amount of radiation “just in case”.
3) ECGs
A tracing of the heart that is a snapshot. It can pick up some changes but in a lot of cases they’re again used for acute things. There are chronic changes we see in ECGs and given the low cost, they’re a good tool. They however are not going to solve the problem. What you really want is a movie, not a picture which is a convenient Segway to…
>Appropriate screening in potential athletes.
In my mind, and if either of my children wished to become athletes (I’d be genuinely upset if they wanted to be doctors) then I feel the only appropriate screen would be a holter (up to 72 hour long ECG traces) to see if there’s a paroxysmal (intermittent) arrhythmia and an echo (an ultrasound of the heart to assess its function and if there are changes that could lead to sudden cardiac death (things like HOCM). In an ideal world these could be done during onboarding in children scouted by clubs. The limiting factor like all things though is cost
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I wonder if smart watches will become smart enough to provide early warnings of conditions like this? My 5 year old running watch logs my heart rate all the time, which I download later, and I wear it about 16 hours per day. That’s just using an LED shining into the blood vessels in my wrist. The individual measurements probably have little value, but as watches are worn for long periods of time perhaps worrying trends could be identified?
I would like to point out he is no longer ‘completely healthy’.
It might have changed in recent years but these types of arrhythmias were often mis- or undiagnosed. Growing up, I was a multi sport player who occasionally had my pulse jump above 200 bpm for minutes, even when not exercising.
Went to the doctor multiple times. Wore a monitor for weeks, got taken off of caffeine, told it was nothing that a doctor could pin down maybe 10 times.
By the time I was in my early 30s, just kind of accepted it. I was sitting at my desk at work one day and had an episode. Mentioned it to a coworker who felt my pulse, stood up and called her sister – a person who worked for a cardiologist in Long Beach, California. This doctor specialized in electrocardiography. Two weeks later I had a cardiac ablation to fix my WPW.
It’s usually brugarda syndrome, very sad he was so young. I think it should be standard to have a defib at all intense sports events
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballers_who_died_after_on-field_incidents
Interestingly, 2021 saw quite a spike.
Headline is slightly misleading as it was ten years ago – but it sadly seems no less common today.