It’s almost as if not having massive debt and wisely investing citizens’ taxes in research and development leads to positive outcomes.
‘Murica is #11
tjcanno on
They quickly deploy all the IP they can steal. That is not innovation. That is theft.
Johan-the-barbarian on
No joke we have a science and technology agreement with Beijing where we actively share cutting edge research often for nothing in return. State department officials at the US/Beijing embassy will get calls from Chinese government agents after reading an article about a new US breakthrough asking why we haven’t provided them with it yet. These agreements date back to the 70’s when Nixon was courting Beijing to get leverage on the USSR. Partnerships in science are a good thing for everyone, and many US researchers have come to depend on Chinese resources such as huge study samples. However these agreements need to be carefully revised because they are severely lopsided in actual practice.
I replaced the link to the agreement extension with a VOA article as ppl were having difficulty deciphering the State Department legalese.
I was reviewing some tech design docs (I’m an engineering manager at big tech) and I noticed a lot of the proposed third party libraries were open source software maintained by Chinese companies like Alibaba, ByteDance, and Tencent. This genuinely surprised me. Seems they’ve been contributing significantly to AI research as well as open source software recently and making it freely available as MIT licensed (free to use and modify).
The packages and libraries are all high quality open source, in many cases superior to some of the older premium libraries that we pay hefty licenses for, so I’m thankful of their investment and cautiously optimistic.
Yesterday622 on
Duh— where have these idiots been: moon lander, own space station; own chip manufacturing; newly implemented high speed rail system… lots
HawkeyeGild on
I work for a Chinese Hi-tech company. They start by copying the success of others tech companies, but once they are initially launched, they optimize quickly and 996 their workers with heavy PiP and bonus incentives. Americans will do OK competing but lack the manpower and hierarchical culture. Luckily we make up for it with creativity.
Europeans have no chance.
yermaaaaa on
Certainly no astroturfing going on in this thread, just real people agreeing with each other that China is super-duper!
Andy5416 on
Ahh yes. Quality reporting from the South China Morning Post. There’s absolutely no bias in that.. however, western markets need to continue to be competitive if they want to maintain the advantage.
Beneficial_Row_6826 on
Everyone kept repeating the they arent innovative and lack creativity mantra cause chinese students only memorize the material
GorethirstQT on
no shit they are constantly doing corporate espionage.
justforthelulzz on
South china morning post? Yeah that’s definitely not propaganda from state run media. Get that out of here
mvw2 on
Well, they are a large nation that’s modernizing fast. They are a large nation with a LOT of cash flow where the government wants, and it’s often overwhelming levels once the choice has been made. And they are a massive manufacturing center, often of lower tech components, but this always and automatically shifts into high tech because it’s advantageous. And unlike the US or European countries, the strong government backing eliminates a lot of barriers of rapid growth. Also they are such a massive OEM of parts and parts of parts, and technologies that they are already doing a lot of the stuff for other people.
bravoredditbravo on
It’s funny they have to do a study to figure this out. When I worked close to Boston I got to know some people who went to high profile colleges like Bently, MIT, etc.
I remember them bringing up a few times how Chinese billionaires would send their kids to Boston to get a premier education, and then they would take that knowledge back to China and run their parents company.
Its not like any of this is a secret
King_in_a_castle_84 on
It’s kinda funny how US manufacturers have been sleeping on China, thinking their “made in the USA” propaganda has protected them from competition and they’ve just kept jacking their prices and profits up as they sat on their fat asses giving Americans the minimum value that we would tolerate.
Guess what greedy fucks? While you were sleeping and resting on your laurels and getting rich and fat, other global manufacturers have actually been trying to give consumers what they want at a price they want.
LadyMoonlightEssence on
i always thought they were catching up but this shows they’re leading in some areas.
betadonkey on
This just in from the…. South China Morning Post
stayupstayalive on
The United States better be working on quantum computing and bringing technological manufacturing back already.
CalvinYHobbes on
China is taking advantage of America spending all their money on wars and genocides.
WittinglyWombat on
backwardness is great… if there is a centralized drive across all aspects of a country’s development.
soon you will catch up and eventually organically deliver
powercow on
China doesnt have the gov dysfunction we have. China has actually been investing in its country and technology. They built their EV charging network over a decade ago, it allowed auto companies to jump in quickly, and people to not have as much range anxiety.
WE just got started on ours in 2024, leaving our car companies to have to make deals with elon.
They invest far more in their own society than we do. And with a population 5 times ours, they are going to produce 5 times as many genius engineers.
WE need to quit with the gov dysfunction bullshit and start to invest in our economy again.
yeti_seer on
That moment in Civ when you meet a new civ in the modern era and their spaceport is working on the terrestrial laser station and you haven’t even researched nanotechnology yet.
samwoo2go on
My personal experience with this was when I was looking for a new robot vacuum in 2019 because my old roomba was just very inefficient in route planning and just shitty overall. My friend recommended Roborock, which is a Chinese brand I’ve never heard of before and it was NOT cheap in price. I was super skeptical but he’s like a really smart engineer guy and swears by it, so I tried it. Holy shit I was shocked by how good the hardware and more importantly the software was. Totally changed my view of Chinese brands. Now I start noticing the dominance of DJI and BYD in their respective industries and not surprised at all. What people need to realize is China can produce BOTH really cheap but shitty products AND really high quality not cheap products. The Chinese just have an extremely broad range of products to offer across the entire pricing spectrum, but most Americans have only interacted with their dollar tree offerings.
If you think about it, if the Chinese people in the US focus more on STEM vs others, why would the Chinese in China also not do the same except there’s like 100x more of them lol
igloomaster on
Americans defunding education, denying science… Wait other people are being smarter than us?
Illustrious-Welder-8 on
Think the prevailing thought in the west was:-
USA innovates
China emulates
EU regulates
Interesting to see a change
DomMan79 on
And in other news, water is wet.
Ok-Somewhere-2219 on
Huh, you mean reducing education funding, keeping kids scared to go to school for fear of being shot, emphasizing financial careers instead of STEM, and making everything about capitalism isn’t working to make people in the US want to be in the sciences and build things???
China is doing better because it has been focusing on the sciences and innovation for a while. Same thing with many SEA countries.
littleguy632 on
Other countries are either caught up with US or ahead already. But we, Americans, refuses to acknowledge this and constantly focusing on other subjects. Sad.
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It’s almost as if not having massive debt and wisely investing citizens’ taxes in research and development leads to positive outcomes.
‘Murica is #11
They quickly deploy all the IP they can steal. That is not innovation. That is theft.
No joke we have a science and technology agreement with Beijing where we actively share cutting edge research often for nothing in return. State department officials at the US/Beijing embassy will get calls from Chinese government agents after reading an article about a new US breakthrough asking why we haven’t provided them with it yet. These agreements date back to the 70’s when Nixon was courting Beijing to get leverage on the USSR. Partnerships in science are a good thing for everyone, and many US researchers have come to depend on Chinese resources such as huge study samples. However these agreements need to be carefully revised because they are severely lopsided in actual practice.
I replaced the link to the agreement extension with a VOA article as ppl were having difficulty deciphering the State Department legalese.
https://www.voanews.com/a/us-china-science-tech-pact-is-renewed-for-another-six-months/7518409.html
I was reviewing some tech design docs (I’m an engineering manager at big tech) and I noticed a lot of the proposed third party libraries were open source software maintained by Chinese companies like Alibaba, ByteDance, and Tencent. This genuinely surprised me. Seems they’ve been contributing significantly to AI research as well as open source software recently and making it freely available as MIT licensed (free to use and modify).
The packages and libraries are all high quality open source, in many cases superior to some of the older premium libraries that we pay hefty licenses for, so I’m thankful of their investment and cautiously optimistic.
Duh— where have these idiots been: moon lander, own space station; own chip manufacturing; newly implemented high speed rail system… lots
I work for a Chinese Hi-tech company. They start by copying the success of others tech companies, but once they are initially launched, they optimize quickly and 996 their workers with heavy PiP and bonus incentives. Americans will do OK competing but lack the manpower and hierarchical culture. Luckily we make up for it with creativity.
Europeans have no chance.
Certainly no astroturfing going on in this thread, just real people agreeing with each other that China is super-duper!
Ahh yes. Quality reporting from the South China Morning Post. There’s absolutely no bias in that.. however, western markets need to continue to be competitive if they want to maintain the advantage.
Everyone kept repeating the they arent innovative and lack creativity mantra cause chinese students only memorize the material
no shit they are constantly doing corporate espionage.
South china morning post? Yeah that’s definitely not propaganda from state run media. Get that out of here
Well, they are a large nation that’s modernizing fast. They are a large nation with a LOT of cash flow where the government wants, and it’s often overwhelming levels once the choice has been made. And they are a massive manufacturing center, often of lower tech components, but this always and automatically shifts into high tech because it’s advantageous. And unlike the US or European countries, the strong government backing eliminates a lot of barriers of rapid growth. Also they are such a massive OEM of parts and parts of parts, and technologies that they are already doing a lot of the stuff for other people.
It’s funny they have to do a study to figure this out. When I worked close to Boston I got to know some people who went to high profile colleges like Bently, MIT, etc.
I remember them bringing up a few times how Chinese billionaires would send their kids to Boston to get a premier education, and then they would take that knowledge back to China and run their parents company.
Its not like any of this is a secret
It’s kinda funny how US manufacturers have been sleeping on China, thinking their “made in the USA” propaganda has protected them from competition and they’ve just kept jacking their prices and profits up as they sat on their fat asses giving Americans the minimum value that we would tolerate.
Guess what greedy fucks? While you were sleeping and resting on your laurels and getting rich and fat, other global manufacturers have actually been trying to give consumers what they want at a price they want.
i always thought they were catching up but this shows they’re leading in some areas.
This just in from the…. South China Morning Post
The United States better be working on quantum computing and bringing technological manufacturing back already.
China is taking advantage of America spending all their money on wars and genocides.
backwardness is great… if there is a centralized drive across all aspects of a country’s development.
soon you will catch up and eventually organically deliver
China doesnt have the gov dysfunction we have. China has actually been investing in its country and technology. They built their EV charging network over a decade ago, it allowed auto companies to jump in quickly, and people to not have as much range anxiety.
WE just got started on ours in 2024, leaving our car companies to have to make deals with elon.
They invest far more in their own society than we do. And with a population 5 times ours, they are going to produce 5 times as many genius engineers.
WE need to quit with the gov dysfunction bullshit and start to invest in our economy again.
That moment in Civ when you meet a new civ in the modern era and their spaceport is working on the terrestrial laser station and you haven’t even researched nanotechnology yet.
My personal experience with this was when I was looking for a new robot vacuum in 2019 because my old roomba was just very inefficient in route planning and just shitty overall. My friend recommended Roborock, which is a Chinese brand I’ve never heard of before and it was NOT cheap in price. I was super skeptical but he’s like a really smart engineer guy and swears by it, so I tried it. Holy shit I was shocked by how good the hardware and more importantly the software was. Totally changed my view of Chinese brands. Now I start noticing the dominance of DJI and BYD in their respective industries and not surprised at all. What people need to realize is China can produce BOTH really cheap but shitty products AND really high quality not cheap products. The Chinese just have an extremely broad range of products to offer across the entire pricing spectrum, but most Americans have only interacted with their dollar tree offerings.
If you think about it, if the Chinese people in the US focus more on STEM vs others, why would the Chinese in China also not do the same except there’s like 100x more of them lol
Americans defunding education, denying science… Wait other people are being smarter than us?
Think the prevailing thought in the west was:-
USA innovates
China emulates
EU regulates
Interesting to see a change
And in other news, water is wet.
Huh, you mean reducing education funding, keeping kids scared to go to school for fear of being shot, emphasizing financial careers instead of STEM, and making everything about capitalism isn’t working to make people in the US want to be in the sciences and build things???
China is doing better because it has been focusing on the sciences and innovation for a while. Same thing with many SEA countries.
Other countries are either caught up with US or ahead already. But we, Americans, refuses to acknowledge this and constantly focusing on other subjects. Sad.