>55pc of Irish employers said they were “very likely” to introduce different pay and benefits to employees who attended the office regularly and those who worked completely remotely.
Pension_Alternative on
There’s murmurings in my place of work but it’s a divided opinion among the decision makers and has been for quite a while.
It would really be difficult for a lot of people to have to start the long commute again. Many people’s lives have changed for the better not having to waste hours of their time commuting every single day.
People are noticeably happier and the work is getting done and I’d argue, in my place at least it’s more productive.
I think forcing people back would be cruel, unnecessary and short-sighted.
CupTheBallsAndCough on
Yeah they need to implement rules to prevent this, if your job doesn’t require you to be in an office to complete it then working from home shouldn’t make a difference.
I don’t work from home but that’s just a ridiculous idea. Seems like a way of thinning the herd without paying redundancy!
Classic-Mixture-2277 on
Get on to Eamonn Ryan. Commuting to the office is bad for the environment you know
supreme_mushroom on
You should be paid more if you WFH. You’re not taking up resources in an office, so it costs the employer less.
But either way, companies should be free to decide for themselves what model they want and then let employees decide if they like it or not.
zlenpasha on
I would take a paycut to not have to go to the office 2 days a week and WFH all the time.
FurtiveSway on
I’ll take the penalties because WFH has had such a positive impact on my life, it’s worth so much more than money.
Rich-Ad9894 on
It’s such a backward mentality to do this. WFH has changed lives for the better and the productivity is better in a lot of cases due to cutting out small talk.
Master-Berry-8080 on
My last job the higher ups keep increasing the days in the office to aid collaboration, help juniors get more in on the job training. I lived close enough to the office that I really had no excuse so I went in routinely. Managers, senior managers and executives all routinely never showed up so it ended up just meting me and the other few conscientious co employees who do what they are told. I left very shortly after. Couldn’t stand the bare faced lies from management
fullmoonbeam on
employers see AI replacing jobs so getting rid of work from home is a cheap way of making redundancies without paying for redundancy.
New-Possession-9248 on
If the offer is to reduce your salary by x% to WFH just do x% less work.
funpubquiz on
Anyone in such a workplace needs to start talking to their colleagues about forming a union. Overnight you will end this shite.
Paddy_last on
We have a company meeting this Thursday and I am expecting them to increase the number of RTO days.
Giving the usual “collaboration” BS as last time.
Except I am the only Irish based member of my team (everyone else is in the US), so would literally be sitting in silence with no one to work with.
So I will be having the same argument with HR again about staying WFH
KillerKlown88 on
It’s very simple, I am paid for my time and my expertise. I am not paid to be in a physical location.
If my company tried this they will be laughed at.
Hairy-Ad-4018 on
Yeah less pay for doing the same work is most likely illegal. Any company that tries this are asses.
Key-Half1655 on
My place has just started quarterly bonus deductions if hybrid staff don’t hit 30 days per quarter, remote staff don’t count in that. You’re considered hybrid if you are within 30km, remote if further.
OrganicVlad79 on
I think we need to start some sort of campaign or mass-email TDs about protecting WFH
slithered-casket on
People are bemoaning lifestyle improvements and productivity. Nobody cares. This is a real estate campaign. The value of their assets depreciates if there’s less use for it. This is also a cloaked forced redundancy without needing to payout.
My advice to anybody being forced to RTO is to try your best to comply, particularly if you think there’s impending layoffs. In parallel look for another job.
WarheadMaynard on
What this is going to do is create another way for better companies to distinguish themselves so we can all leave the regressive ones and work for the ones that allow WFH instead.
I don’t WFH in my current role because I prefer the office but if one of my staff gets the same work done at home then I couldn’t care less where they are when they do it.
soluko on
> In global commercial real-estate company JLL’s Future of Work survey
always, always check who paid for the survey. This is a PR exercise by an office landlord meant to push the narrative that WFH is bad and most companies are looking to move back to office.
Additional_Olive3318 on
If companies believe that workers need to be together and in one office they wouldn’t have distributed teams. Most Amazon workers are going back to do their daily status updates on Teams, or similar, at their desk with colleagues across the world.
PoxyInvestor on
So many adults here about working a job .. you probably shouldn’t be working if your that lazy and can’t work in a office
DeliveranceXXV on
If the government gave a % tax break for companies with a % of employees in WFH, then these same companies would be all about WFH. Perspectives change depending on current climate.
I do feel, though, that news pieces like this are published to circulate an almost propagandised agenda to suit certain lobby group. We see them quite a lot but rarely see news pieces about the benefits of WFH, both personally and for the environment.
theeglitz on
It’s for the market to sort out. Companies which are more flexible will have an advantage in attracting and retaining staff, and can offer lower salaries. I’d value my commute / WFH at about €30 per day.
Additional_Olive3318 on
During the pandemic IT companies not only managed to continue to recruit, they did so at an increasing rate. They made outsize profits and there was no obvious drop in productivity. I don’t remember one company failing to meet targets or release dates because of WFH.
The reason for this was because – with outsourcing – teams are distributed across the world anyway.
As an example, a friend of mine who is forced back to the Amazon office will be the only member of his team in Dublin. Apparently collaborating in office doesn’t matter or isn’t important for outsourced or multi national teams.
Disastrous-Account10 on
Look I get it, some people genuinely should be in the office due to unproductivity.
I am fully WFH and 100% remote ( i go in once a year for the christmas party ) and if anything my productivity has increased ten fold compared to being in the office.
When in the office I would have people stopping at my desk every little while interrupting my flow plus the 1 hour commute in and one hour commute on the way out
The down side of WFH is collaboration is a bit more difficult but not impossible and additionally the amount of stupid meetings I am pulled into becomes a rash but there is also a lovely “no” button when I get these meeting invites
Little towns are doing a bit better when it comes to people WFH, new coffee shops, new little stores opening up brings a bit of life back into the smaller quiet places ( atleast where I am ), I also have no need for a car anymore so we just have the one and its paid off
cyberlexington on
With any luck The EU will look at this and go, erm no.
At least I hope so.
Which_Level_9648 on
Companies need to realise that they don’t hold all the power. If they want to retain good employees and attract the best grads, WFH or hybrid, at least, is necessary in this day and age. If you take 3 companies, one offers WFH and the other doesn’t, who do they think will be more attractive? More money doesn’t compensate for a better work/ life balance
Tactical_Laser_Bream on
Join a union, folks. They’re up to their old tricks.
Intelligent-Bite1026 on
This is IBEC flying a kite to start softening up people for what is likely to come in 2025 or more likely 2026.
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>55pc of Irish employers said they were “very likely” to introduce different pay and benefits to employees who attended the office regularly and those who worked completely remotely.
There’s murmurings in my place of work but it’s a divided opinion among the decision makers and has been for quite a while.
It would really be difficult for a lot of people to have to start the long commute again. Many people’s lives have changed for the better not having to waste hours of their time commuting every single day.
People are noticeably happier and the work is getting done and I’d argue, in my place at least it’s more productive.
I think forcing people back would be cruel, unnecessary and short-sighted.
Yeah they need to implement rules to prevent this, if your job doesn’t require you to be in an office to complete it then working from home shouldn’t make a difference.
I don’t work from home but that’s just a ridiculous idea. Seems like a way of thinning the herd without paying redundancy!
Get on to Eamonn Ryan. Commuting to the office is bad for the environment you know
You should be paid more if you WFH. You’re not taking up resources in an office, so it costs the employer less.
But either way, companies should be free to decide for themselves what model they want and then let employees decide if they like it or not.
I would take a paycut to not have to go to the office 2 days a week and WFH all the time.
I’ll take the penalties because WFH has had such a positive impact on my life, it’s worth so much more than money.
It’s such a backward mentality to do this. WFH has changed lives for the better and the productivity is better in a lot of cases due to cutting out small talk.
My last job the higher ups keep increasing the days in the office to aid collaboration, help juniors get more in on the job training. I lived close enough to the office that I really had no excuse so I went in routinely. Managers, senior managers and executives all routinely never showed up so it ended up just meting me and the other few conscientious co employees who do what they are told. I left very shortly after. Couldn’t stand the bare faced lies from management
employers see AI replacing jobs so getting rid of work from home is a cheap way of making redundancies without paying for redundancy.
If the offer is to reduce your salary by x% to WFH just do x% less work.
Anyone in such a workplace needs to start talking to their colleagues about forming a union. Overnight you will end this shite.
We have a company meeting this Thursday and I am expecting them to increase the number of RTO days.
Giving the usual “collaboration” BS as last time.
Except I am the only Irish based member of my team (everyone else is in the US), so would literally be sitting in silence with no one to work with.
So I will be having the same argument with HR again about staying WFH
It’s very simple, I am paid for my time and my expertise. I am not paid to be in a physical location.
If my company tried this they will be laughed at.
Yeah less pay for doing the same work is most likely illegal. Any company that tries this are asses.
My place has just started quarterly bonus deductions if hybrid staff don’t hit 30 days per quarter, remote staff don’t count in that. You’re considered hybrid if you are within 30km, remote if further.
I think we need to start some sort of campaign or mass-email TDs about protecting WFH
People are bemoaning lifestyle improvements and productivity. Nobody cares. This is a real estate campaign. The value of their assets depreciates if there’s less use for it. This is also a cloaked forced redundancy without needing to payout.
My advice to anybody being forced to RTO is to try your best to comply, particularly if you think there’s impending layoffs. In parallel look for another job.
What this is going to do is create another way for better companies to distinguish themselves so we can all leave the regressive ones and work for the ones that allow WFH instead.
I don’t WFH in my current role because I prefer the office but if one of my staff gets the same work done at home then I couldn’t care less where they are when they do it.
> In global commercial real-estate company JLL’s Future of Work survey
always, always check who paid for the survey. This is a PR exercise by an office landlord meant to push the narrative that WFH is bad and most companies are looking to move back to office.
If companies believe that workers need to be together and in one office they wouldn’t have distributed teams. Most Amazon workers are going back to do their daily status updates on Teams, or similar, at their desk with colleagues across the world.
So many adults here about working a job .. you probably shouldn’t be working if your that lazy and can’t work in a office
If the government gave a % tax break for companies with a % of employees in WFH, then these same companies would be all about WFH. Perspectives change depending on current climate.
I do feel, though, that news pieces like this are published to circulate an almost propagandised agenda to suit certain lobby group. We see them quite a lot but rarely see news pieces about the benefits of WFH, both personally and for the environment.
It’s for the market to sort out. Companies which are more flexible will have an advantage in attracting and retaining staff, and can offer lower salaries. I’d value my commute / WFH at about €30 per day.
During the pandemic IT companies not only managed to continue to recruit, they did so at an increasing rate. They made outsize profits and there was no obvious drop in productivity. I don’t remember one company failing to meet targets or release dates because of WFH.
The reason for this was because – with outsourcing – teams are distributed across the world anyway.
As an example, a friend of mine who is forced back to the Amazon office will be the only member of his team in Dublin. Apparently collaborating in office doesn’t matter or isn’t important for outsourced or multi national teams.
Look I get it, some people genuinely should be in the office due to unproductivity.
I am fully WFH and 100% remote ( i go in once a year for the christmas party ) and if anything my productivity has increased ten fold compared to being in the office.
When in the office I would have people stopping at my desk every little while interrupting my flow plus the 1 hour commute in and one hour commute on the way out
The down side of WFH is collaboration is a bit more difficult but not impossible and additionally the amount of stupid meetings I am pulled into becomes a rash but there is also a lovely “no” button when I get these meeting invites
Little towns are doing a bit better when it comes to people WFH, new coffee shops, new little stores opening up brings a bit of life back into the smaller quiet places ( atleast where I am ), I also have no need for a car anymore so we just have the one and its paid off
With any luck The EU will look at this and go, erm no.
At least I hope so.
Companies need to realise that they don’t hold all the power. If they want to retain good employees and attract the best grads, WFH or hybrid, at least, is necessary in this day and age. If you take 3 companies, one offers WFH and the other doesn’t, who do they think will be more attractive? More money doesn’t compensate for a better work/ life balance
Join a union, folks. They’re up to their old tricks.
This is IBEC flying a kite to start softening up people for what is likely to come in 2025 or more likely 2026.