“Success, I threw the government under the bus but I still get to be in it”
MothraEpoch on
Amazing, nuke your own government due to trying to call the bluff on the far right. Then form a new government without those that helped you stop them, in fact now basically calling upon them to be an unofficial partner of your government by voting through your laws.
Next presidential election is cooked
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BreakfastFluid9419 on
This teetering between left and right in government gets awfully exhausting. Be cool if they could just act like adults and make decisions that are best for the whole of the population regardless of who it will offend. Unfortunately people are too entrenched in their preferred ideology and politicians will play into that to ensure maintaining power while ultimately achieving little.
Preference-Inner on
ELI5, is this good or bad? I honestly don’t know asking a genuine question as I don’t know much about French politics
aKeshaKe on
Putain
LeekTerrible on
The Daily did an episode on this saying it’s Macrons way of calling their bluff. In his mind he thinks giving them some power will show the people they’re not fit to lead and will go back to how it was. Or if can blow up in his face 🤷🏻♂️
PsychLegalMind on
He used the left to accomplish his own goals, they essentially get nothing or next to it; a party that won the most seats. He got them good; the so-called Left had a major weakness. They only thought about keeping the right out at any cost. Now their internal fracture will surface, and Macron will play segments of it like a fiddle.
This is what was going to happen to the hodge podge party the so-called left who came together for one purpose and that has now ended. The right and the conservative are gaining, the left, next to nothing, in fact they are getting a further right conservative government.
HopingMechanism on
Didn’t France just beat down a far right infiltration motivated by Russian propaganda?
JohnyBullet on
If they solve some of the immigration stuff and not turn to Russia, then it will be amazing.
But given how much every western government been, being left or right, I don’t have much hope for the french people
ZlionAlex on
I have to say, people keep falling for the right wing = russian influence propaganda hard.
VirginiaWillow on
The centrist making his move to right? *gasps* Never saw it coming
WednesdayFin on
Well it was a choice to govern with either RN or Mélenchon’s troupé who are expicitly known for being unable to co-operate in anything. It’s even in their name.
FlappyBored on
It’s been hilarious seeing ‘left wing’ Americans praise Macron and view him as some hero when he’s been fiscal conservative for years and is an ex-banker and has ran a right wing government for years now.
Carl-99999 on
What
elZaphod on
Is the French “far-right” a moderate view us Americans would gladly settle for at this point? Asking for a friend.
felis_magnetus on
France has a habit of numbering its republics for a reason. Expect the number to go one up in the coming years.
EasyButterscotch5018 on
Yeah, this is the last time i ever vote for the center. Bunch of libertarian, from now on it’s either the left or the far right for me, as long as economic liberalism is stopped i dont care who does it
LongLiveLiberalism on
What was the point of calling the election in the first place? The only way it makes sense is if you want the far right to win to expose their incompetence but now you just keep doing the incumbent fatigue cycle till they win
Terrariola on
Two godawful options. I only hope this is the right choice for France.
Doctor_Asshole on
Bunch of Americans / liberals in here acting like this is some huge deal. The left do NOT have over 50%. It’s about a 3rd each and the left refused to work with the middle.
Also, all this fear mongering of how the right is so evil and facist with no mention of how a lot of left wing radicals in the past have also been just as evil. Castro, Stalin, etc.
In reality the center is trying to have a somewhat functioning government and making compromises as SHOULD happen.
Look at America’s two party system and how they can barely ever have a bipartisan bill. It’s shameful.
aerodynamik on
this will not last
GokuBlack455 on
Looking at the composition of the Barnier government, it seems to be primarily made of lawmakers from Les Républicains, Renaissance, Mouvement démocrate, and UDI. These parties are on the lines of centre, centre-right, and right-wing. By and large, Macron’s government is still largely centrist, but leaning a bit more to the centre-right. I wouldn’t necessarily call it a “right-wing government” (unlike Israel or Türkiye, for example).
Bright_Standard_5766 on
I think these political tactics go back to the Roman empire.
jimbiboy on
it is interesting how often in Europe the Prime Minister ends up being from the fourth or fifth place party. Of course in France the PM is not that powerful a role.
DippyDerps on
The Sixth French Republic is going to be wild in a few years.
FuckBagMcGee on
The French people are gonna announce a new government next lmao
Sure_Ad5479 on
Can someone here point to me whether Macron action is good for everyone?
Jbroy on
I can already hear the protests and shut down of France
Adventurous-Mud-4797 on
Perfect example of how democracy is broken
agni39 on
Someone French correct me if I got something wrong.
The far right made significant gains in the EU elections beating out Macron’s coalition which made Macron call a snap election.
In said election, the far right got more votes. The French election system is too complicated for me but as far as I can comprehend in the final tally, approximately, the far right had 37%, Macron’s centre alliance had 25%, the left also had 25%.
Now of the remaining 13%, a party called Republicans (but blue) got 5.4% and they allied with the far right. To avoid a far right government, Macron and the left negotiated but couldn’t agree on terms to form a government for reasons that are too complicated for me to understand. So Macron has now offered to form a government with the far right and Republicans which they did.
Is this what happened? This is all I could get my head around reading Wikipedia for 15 min. If this is indeed what happened isn’t this just democracy running its course? If anything both Macron and the left were too uncompromising which is what has caused this mess.
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Puke
This is less than ideal.
“Success, I threw the government under the bus but I still get to be in it”
Amazing, nuke your own government due to trying to call the bluff on the far right. Then form a new government without those that helped you stop them, in fact now basically calling upon them to be an unofficial partner of your government by voting through your laws.
Next presidential election is cooked
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This teetering between left and right in government gets awfully exhausting. Be cool if they could just act like adults and make decisions that are best for the whole of the population regardless of who it will offend. Unfortunately people are too entrenched in their preferred ideology and politicians will play into that to ensure maintaining power while ultimately achieving little.
ELI5, is this good or bad? I honestly don’t know asking a genuine question as I don’t know much about French politics
Putain
The Daily did an episode on this saying it’s Macrons way of calling their bluff. In his mind he thinks giving them some power will show the people they’re not fit to lead and will go back to how it was. Or if can blow up in his face 🤷🏻♂️
He used the left to accomplish his own goals, they essentially get nothing or next to it; a party that won the most seats. He got them good; the so-called Left had a major weakness. They only thought about keeping the right out at any cost. Now their internal fracture will surface, and Macron will play segments of it like a fiddle.
This is what was going to happen to the hodge podge party the so-called left who came together for one purpose and that has now ended. The right and the conservative are gaining, the left, next to nothing, in fact they are getting a further right conservative government.
Didn’t France just beat down a far right infiltration motivated by Russian propaganda?
If they solve some of the immigration stuff and not turn to Russia, then it will be amazing.
But given how much every western government been, being left or right, I don’t have much hope for the french people
I have to say, people keep falling for the right wing = russian influence propaganda hard.
The centrist making his move to right? *gasps* Never saw it coming
Well it was a choice to govern with either RN or Mélenchon’s troupé who are expicitly known for being unable to co-operate in anything. It’s even in their name.
It’s been hilarious seeing ‘left wing’ Americans praise Macron and view him as some hero when he’s been fiscal conservative for years and is an ex-banker and has ran a right wing government for years now.
What
Is the French “far-right” a moderate view us Americans would gladly settle for at this point? Asking for a friend.
France has a habit of numbering its republics for a reason. Expect the number to go one up in the coming years.
Yeah, this is the last time i ever vote for the center. Bunch of libertarian, from now on it’s either the left or the far right for me, as long as economic liberalism is stopped i dont care who does it
What was the point of calling the election in the first place? The only way it makes sense is if you want the far right to win to expose their incompetence but now you just keep doing the incumbent fatigue cycle till they win
Two godawful options. I only hope this is the right choice for France.
Bunch of Americans / liberals in here acting like this is some huge deal. The left do NOT have over 50%. It’s about a 3rd each and the left refused to work with the middle.
Also, all this fear mongering of how the right is so evil and facist with no mention of how a lot of left wing radicals in the past have also been just as evil. Castro, Stalin, etc.
In reality the center is trying to have a somewhat functioning government and making compromises as SHOULD happen.
Look at America’s two party system and how they can barely ever have a bipartisan bill. It’s shameful.
this will not last
Looking at the composition of the Barnier government, it seems to be primarily made of lawmakers from Les Républicains, Renaissance, Mouvement démocrate, and UDI. These parties are on the lines of centre, centre-right, and right-wing. By and large, Macron’s government is still largely centrist, but leaning a bit more to the centre-right. I wouldn’t necessarily call it a “right-wing government” (unlike Israel or Türkiye, for example).
I think these political tactics go back to the Roman empire.
it is interesting how often in Europe the Prime Minister ends up being from the fourth or fifth place party. Of course in France the PM is not that powerful a role.
The Sixth French Republic is going to be wild in a few years.
The French people are gonna announce a new government next lmao
Can someone here point to me whether Macron action is good for everyone?
I can already hear the protests and shut down of France
Perfect example of how democracy is broken
Someone French correct me if I got something wrong.
The far right made significant gains in the EU elections beating out Macron’s coalition which made Macron call a snap election.
In said election, the far right got more votes. The French election system is too complicated for me but as far as I can comprehend in the final tally, approximately, the far right had 37%, Macron’s centre alliance had 25%, the left also had 25%.
Now of the remaining 13%, a party called Republicans (but blue) got 5.4% and they allied with the far right. To avoid a far right government, Macron and the left negotiated but couldn’t agree on terms to form a government for reasons that are too complicated for me to understand. So Macron has now offered to form a government with the far right and Republicans which they did.
Is this what happened? This is all I could get my head around reading Wikipedia for 15 min. If this is indeed what happened isn’t this just democracy running its course? If anything both Macron and the left were too uncompromising which is what has caused this mess.