Wait what? Planning classes, so doing work outside of work hours is supposed to be a “perk”? Teachers are already doing that. Or do they mean they’re going to actually pay teachers for the additional 10-20 hours of work they do at home?
Why would you want to be a teacher in UK? Low pay, tons of hours, have to plan outside of work hours, horrible students etc.
I don’t have qualified teacher status in UK, or a PGSE, but I was able to move to China to teach and get paid more than a UK teacher. It’s a no brainer.
ninja_jay on
So the mountains of paperwork can just be pushed to later into the evenings?
Tackle the overwhelming administrative workload and the shockingly poor pay if you want to “attract teachers”.
limaconnect77 on
Primary/secondary have been shafted when it comes to pay for decades. It’s bonkers that they’re ‘essential/critical workers’ and treated like this.
It’s an incentive (if anything for their mental wellbeing) for Brits not to teach here in the UK – Asia’s golden for pay and other benefits. Some places, South Korea, China, Taiwan etc. you often get very decent accommodation subsidised. Plus, for the most part, parents/guardians are not straight-up arseholes.
nightdwaawf on
My ex used to be a teacher of young children and I was actually gobsmacked at just how much work they do.. 45 minutes travel there. A full hour before on site, then several hours with the rugrats, before finishing up before the cleaners came in and then due to traffic, home for around 5.30-6.00pm. She’d cook tea for me coming home and then while I did the chores, she’d literally turn the dining table into a work station and start making shit for the following day. I’d get roped into helping out and we’d still be at it at 10pm. Then the poor bugger repeated the whole process over the next day.
Even during the holidays, which as an adult I thought were excessive for the kids she never stopped. It was mental but eventually burned her out and she took a career change after several years.
funkyphonicsmonkey on
I stopped being able to sleep anyway for most of the last five years I was in teaching due to the stress and worry of actually doing the job.
Teachers are supposed to have protected time to do their work in their timetables, but I never was able to take it since we had to cover other teachers going down with stress, or deal with a seemingly infinite number of more absurd tasks dictated by the DfE.
I’ll never go back. Not until classroom teaching becomes the most important aspect of the job.
pullupbang on
As someone working closely in the sector, its a complete house of cards and in *many* places, it has already fallen. The public just do not know it. Schools are out of control with many kids barely doing any learning. The sector relies on utopian 20 year olds who leave by their mid-late twenties and cycle repeats.
The problem is the salary is pretty good at the start. You can realistically get to 50-60k by mid-late twenties in London. But you will then barely progress.
regprenticer on
Why should teachers need to do any planning at all?.
Seems like a fundamental failure in the education system that the structure and content isn’t set centrally and freely available to teachers, students and pupils to measure performance against.
I went to see my son’s maths teacher and it appears he has the flexibility to move work around by as much as 6 months. This is in Scotland, different qualification to England, and the teacher said something along the lines of “were aiming to have this class half way into the year 4 work by the end of year 3 if we can.”.
That just doesn’t make sense to me, teachers second guessing the curriculum by 6 months.
pajamakitten on
It all comes down to less work. I used to teach and burnt out because I was doing 12 hours a day as an NQT to try and keep my head above water. I also did a half day on Saturday too. Throw in an hour commute both ways and it is no surprise I burnt out before Christmas (and that was when the starting salary was £23k too). Until the government gets this idea into their heads, no one will last long as a teacher these days.
New-Strategy-2516 on
There are two issues with English education, neither of which this government will do anything about:
1. Low salaries, and the associated reduction in status, which means that only those who can’t get jobs elsewhere will go into teaching; and
2. Education has been taken over by extreme left wing ideologues who indoctrinate rather than educate and also make schools a very hostile place to work for any who do want to educate.
PsychologicalCan5399 on
Collins from Portsmouth will be frothing at the mouth when he hears this.
Huge-Celebration5192 on
Salary doesn’t seem that low. Can earn 50k+ after a few years.
kahnindustries on
Lol, they’ll really do anything to get away with not paying people a minimum wage wont they
MrVillainsDayOff on
I have a novel idea. Hold onto your rocking chairs, folks. This could be a little out there!
How about…
WE JUST FUCKING PAY TEACHERS PROPERLY.
Fuck me. They do so much unpaid overtime. It’s no wonder we have a shortage.
Give them better hours. Full and better pay for all the extra work they do outside of lessons.
Otherwise, you’ll see a continued decline in people entering or sticking with teaching as a profession. Which has the clearly visible knock-on effect of worsening our already draconian “education” (read: indoctrination) system.
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> more planning time at home
Wait what? Planning classes, so doing work outside of work hours is supposed to be a “perk”? Teachers are already doing that. Or do they mean they’re going to actually pay teachers for the additional 10-20 hours of work they do at home?
Why would you want to be a teacher in UK? Low pay, tons of hours, have to plan outside of work hours, horrible students etc.
I don’t have qualified teacher status in UK, or a PGSE, but I was able to move to China to teach and get paid more than a UK teacher. It’s a no brainer.
So the mountains of paperwork can just be pushed to later into the evenings?
Tackle the overwhelming administrative workload and the shockingly poor pay if you want to “attract teachers”.
Primary/secondary have been shafted when it comes to pay for decades. It’s bonkers that they’re ‘essential/critical workers’ and treated like this.
It’s an incentive (if anything for their mental wellbeing) for Brits not to teach here in the UK – Asia’s golden for pay and other benefits. Some places, South Korea, China, Taiwan etc. you often get very decent accommodation subsidised. Plus, for the most part, parents/guardians are not straight-up arseholes.
My ex used to be a teacher of young children and I was actually gobsmacked at just how much work they do.. 45 minutes travel there. A full hour before on site, then several hours with the rugrats, before finishing up before the cleaners came in and then due to traffic, home for around 5.30-6.00pm. She’d cook tea for me coming home and then while I did the chores, she’d literally turn the dining table into a work station and start making shit for the following day. I’d get roped into helping out and we’d still be at it at 10pm. Then the poor bugger repeated the whole process over the next day.
Even during the holidays, which as an adult I thought were excessive for the kids she never stopped. It was mental but eventually burned her out and she took a career change after several years.
I stopped being able to sleep anyway for most of the last five years I was in teaching due to the stress and worry of actually doing the job.
Teachers are supposed to have protected time to do their work in their timetables, but I never was able to take it since we had to cover other teachers going down with stress, or deal with a seemingly infinite number of more absurd tasks dictated by the DfE.
I’ll never go back. Not until classroom teaching becomes the most important aspect of the job.
As someone working closely in the sector, its a complete house of cards and in *many* places, it has already fallen. The public just do not know it. Schools are out of control with many kids barely doing any learning. The sector relies on utopian 20 year olds who leave by their mid-late twenties and cycle repeats.
The problem is the salary is pretty good at the start. You can realistically get to 50-60k by mid-late twenties in London. But you will then barely progress.
Why should teachers need to do any planning at all?.
Seems like a fundamental failure in the education system that the structure and content isn’t set centrally and freely available to teachers, students and pupils to measure performance against.
I went to see my son’s maths teacher and it appears he has the flexibility to move work around by as much as 6 months. This is in Scotland, different qualification to England, and the teacher said something along the lines of “were aiming to have this class half way into the year 4 work by the end of year 3 if we can.”.
That just doesn’t make sense to me, teachers second guessing the curriculum by 6 months.
It all comes down to less work. I used to teach and burnt out because I was doing 12 hours a day as an NQT to try and keep my head above water. I also did a half day on Saturday too. Throw in an hour commute both ways and it is no surprise I burnt out before Christmas (and that was when the starting salary was £23k too). Until the government gets this idea into their heads, no one will last long as a teacher these days.
There are two issues with English education, neither of which this government will do anything about:
1. Low salaries, and the associated reduction in status, which means that only those who can’t get jobs elsewhere will go into teaching; and
2. Education has been taken over by extreme left wing ideologues who indoctrinate rather than educate and also make schools a very hostile place to work for any who do want to educate.
Collins from Portsmouth will be frothing at the mouth when he hears this.
Salary doesn’t seem that low. Can earn 50k+ after a few years.
Lol, they’ll really do anything to get away with not paying people a minimum wage wont they
I have a novel idea. Hold onto your rocking chairs, folks. This could be a little out there!
How about…
WE JUST FUCKING PAY TEACHERS PROPERLY.
Fuck me. They do so much unpaid overtime. It’s no wonder we have a shortage.
Give them better hours. Full and better pay for all the extra work they do outside of lessons.
Otherwise, you’ll see a continued decline in people entering or sticking with teaching as a profession. Which has the clearly visible knock-on effect of worsening our already draconian “education” (read: indoctrination) system.
Rant over.