Gen election 2024 manifestos are going to be bangers all over
The fiscal space for ‘costings’ is unbelievable
dropthecoin on
>Sinn Féin’s finance spokesperson said the programme would be funded from the existing government surplus, which is currently more than €8bn.
So as soon as the surplus years end, it will be all rolled back. This is why you don’t put day to day spending on things like unpredictable surpluses.
Edit: Sinn Féin literally said themselves in their own manifesto for budget 2024 that they wouldn’t do this type of day to day spending with a surplus. And yet we still have people in this thread defending it.
That_Technician_439 on
Gobshites
OutOfCheesus on
Who will pay for this? If it’s to come from general taxation does that mean something else is to be cut or are they going to tax us more?
Chester_roaster on
Oh they found the money tree again did they? 🌳 Snagged an apple™ from it
mrlinkwii on
i call BS
-Hypocrates- on
Would love to see how the armchair economists of r/Ireland would have reacted when free secondary school education was announced.
SugarInvestigator on
Guess we.know where the apple windfall is going
Churt_Lyne on
This is great in principle, but they should be clear what sacrifices are going to happen elsewhere to fund it. Paying for stuff from a surplus that could evaporate at any moment seems beyond dumb.
norodaisy on
This would be fantastic. Childcare costs are dreadful, and availability is a disaster.
UhOhhh02 on
Jaysus, they’ll have all our issues solved within a year with all these plans
Jean_Rasczak on
Sinn Fein are throwing out all sort of promises, next we will all be able to sit at home and not work, free houses for all
Shake that money tree
It’s all waffle, people shouldn’t fall for this nonsense but they will
Wiat for the down votes from the Sinn Fein online mafia, can’t say anything negative about Sinn Fein or they get all upset
Terrible_Way1091 on
>because the state is recording significant surpluses each year and is projected to record significant surpluses each year
Celtic tiger is back baby!
TheStoicNihilist on
Cram them in, eh?
SoloWingPixy88 on
Ok they say this would cost €315 million but to provide childcare to every preschool child in Ireland it would cost a bit less than €5 billion at a cost of €14K per child to creches I’d like to say yes but I don’t think we can do that.
I do think the government needs to throw a €1-2 billion initiative for childcare. But I think 5 is a challenge.
Also SF are relying excessively on corporate tax to maintain a programme like this.
Gorsoon on
If we’ve learned anything it’s that grand announcements from political parties are as good as useless because any party in government will be part of a coalition, and in the negotiations for the program for government many of the parties objectives go straight out the window in the name of compromise.
TheFreemanLIVES on
It might go some way towards helping with the rapidly declining birth rate since 2008, but who cares about the future when we are more worried what things cost in the present? Why worry about a rapidly ageing population with less tax payers to support it, will be grand sure.
Otherwise-Winner9643 on
One thing that might make sense would be to stop paying children’s allowance in cash.
I listened to the podcast “the witness”, which gives an amazing insight into how someone can end up in these terrible situations, doing terrible things.
One thing that stood out is that the busiest day for drug dealing was children’s allowance day.
Would we be better not to give cash, but instead free childcare/tax subsidies for childcare, free hot meals in schools, food vouchers (that can’t be used for cigarettes or alcohol), free educational summer camps, school uniforms etc?
It could net out from a cost perspective, but ensure it supports families and most importantly, the kids.
Jacksonriverboy on
Maybe 52 week maternity leave and 8+ weeks paternity leave.
Parents leave can only be taken by people who can afford to be shorted on pay.
FlamingoRush on
LoL they also will guarantee 417 sunny days per year, Guinness will be 1.70 per pint and Beamish will be free every 2nd week…
TRCTFI on
We’re charged a little over 1k/month gross for each of our two kids in crèche.
When you take the recent NCS increase and ECCE into account, it only costs about €16/day/child net across a 5 day week for full time child care, for up to 11 hours a day, with all meals provided.
Childcare is still hella expensive, but the updated subsidies really eat into it.
Margrave75 on
Shinners: pro ridin’ !
geedeeie on
How are they going to finance this? Rob a few banks?
howsitgoingboy on
I’m a leftist, but these guys are a pack of fucking jokers at this stage. We had these promises in the 90’s with Fianna Fail, it’ll all end in absolute shit with SF, they aren’t even trying to be realistic.
Build up the coffers, use the interest for day to grow the economy and on capital projects like building houses, fine.
52 weeks off work and €10 euro per day for childcare is insane, it’s just not realistic for where we are right now.
Next week they’ll say they’ll bring in a 4 day working week, and while these things may be individually possible, together they are not.
serikielbasa on
What could possibly go wrong from limiting prices…. Good intentions though.
Background_Pause_392 on
Why does someone who does work need free childcare? Just wondering.
notions_of_adequacy on
If there’s a cap, then wages for childcare workers will struggle to go up if cost of living increases the way it is there won’t be many willing to stay in the job
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Gen election 2024 manifestos are going to be bangers all over
The fiscal space for ‘costings’ is unbelievable
>Sinn Féin’s finance spokesperson said the programme would be funded from the existing government surplus, which is currently more than €8bn.
So as soon as the surplus years end, it will be all rolled back. This is why you don’t put day to day spending on things like unpredictable surpluses.
Edit: Sinn Féin literally said themselves in their own manifesto for budget 2024 that they wouldn’t do this type of day to day spending with a surplus. And yet we still have people in this thread defending it.
Gobshites
Who will pay for this? If it’s to come from general taxation does that mean something else is to be cut or are they going to tax us more?
Oh they found the money tree again did they? 🌳 Snagged an apple™ from it
i call BS
Would love to see how the armchair economists of r/Ireland would have reacted when free secondary school education was announced.
Guess we.know where the apple windfall is going
This is great in principle, but they should be clear what sacrifices are going to happen elsewhere to fund it. Paying for stuff from a surplus that could evaporate at any moment seems beyond dumb.
This would be fantastic. Childcare costs are dreadful, and availability is a disaster.
Jaysus, they’ll have all our issues solved within a year with all these plans
Sinn Fein are throwing out all sort of promises, next we will all be able to sit at home and not work, free houses for all
Shake that money tree
It’s all waffle, people shouldn’t fall for this nonsense but they will
Wiat for the down votes from the Sinn Fein online mafia, can’t say anything negative about Sinn Fein or they get all upset
>because the state is recording significant surpluses each year and is projected to record significant surpluses each year
Celtic tiger is back baby!
Cram them in, eh?
Ok they say this would cost €315 million but to provide childcare to every preschool child in Ireland it would cost a bit less than €5 billion at a cost of €14K per child to creches I’d like to say yes but I don’t think we can do that.
I do think the government needs to throw a €1-2 billion initiative for childcare. But I think 5 is a challenge.
Also SF are relying excessively on corporate tax to maintain a programme like this.
If we’ve learned anything it’s that grand announcements from political parties are as good as useless because any party in government will be part of a coalition, and in the negotiations for the program for government many of the parties objectives go straight out the window in the name of compromise.
It might go some way towards helping with the rapidly declining birth rate since 2008, but who cares about the future when we are more worried what things cost in the present? Why worry about a rapidly ageing population with less tax payers to support it, will be grand sure.
One thing that might make sense would be to stop paying children’s allowance in cash.
I listened to the podcast “the witness”, which gives an amazing insight into how someone can end up in these terrible situations, doing terrible things.
One thing that stood out is that the busiest day for drug dealing was children’s allowance day.
Would we be better not to give cash, but instead free childcare/tax subsidies for childcare, free hot meals in schools, food vouchers (that can’t be used for cigarettes or alcohol), free educational summer camps, school uniforms etc?
It could net out from a cost perspective, but ensure it supports families and most importantly, the kids.
Maybe 52 week maternity leave and 8+ weeks paternity leave.
Parents leave can only be taken by people who can afford to be shorted on pay.
LoL they also will guarantee 417 sunny days per year, Guinness will be 1.70 per pint and Beamish will be free every 2nd week…
We’re charged a little over 1k/month gross for each of our two kids in crèche.
When you take the recent NCS increase and ECCE into account, it only costs about €16/day/child net across a 5 day week for full time child care, for up to 11 hours a day, with all meals provided.
Childcare is still hella expensive, but the updated subsidies really eat into it.
Shinners: pro ridin’ !
How are they going to finance this? Rob a few banks?
I’m a leftist, but these guys are a pack of fucking jokers at this stage. We had these promises in the 90’s with Fianna Fail, it’ll all end in absolute shit with SF, they aren’t even trying to be realistic.
Build up the coffers, use the interest for day to grow the economy and on capital projects like building houses, fine.
52 weeks off work and €10 euro per day for childcare is insane, it’s just not realistic for where we are right now.
Next week they’ll say they’ll bring in a 4 day working week, and while these things may be individually possible, together they are not.
What could possibly go wrong from limiting prices…. Good intentions though.
Why does someone who does work need free childcare? Just wondering.
If there’s a cap, then wages for childcare workers will struggle to go up if cost of living increases the way it is there won’t be many willing to stay in the job