Lots of kind words for the Boeing staff who worked so hard on this. Seems clear that the failures of the Boeing higher ups shouldn’t reflect down on the staff who worked hard.
CuteAndQuirkyNazgul on
1. This was the right decision. The safety of the astronauts is the only thing that matters.
2. This is a disaster for Boeing. Shareholders should be in revolt over the awful management at the company. The stock will crash when the market opens on Monday.
3. This is a triumph for SpaceX and Glynne Shotwell.
scottyhg1 on
this is a failure from boeing as a whole. but also NASA. A big review of NASAs operations are needed. I want us to explore the universe, not explore why this keeps failing
BigHoss94 on
I’m just glad a culture exists now that allowed this to take place rather than stubbornly insisting on using a failing aircraft.
Specialist-Routine86 on
This is a hilarious conclusion of the SpaceX vs Boeing CC debate, old space vs new space.
A lot of people eating prediction for a decade ago, saying SpaceX was the risky one of the two. Now who’s is rescuing who. Lmao
reddit455 on
i assume the thrusters in question are similar to these.. you can hear them firing.. pulsing, actually.
it’s a staccato, not a burn. not 2 seconds and done… it’s all the way down.
See the Artemis 1 spacecraft’s fiery Earth re-entry in amazing time-lapse
Say the uncrewed return flight of Starliner goes ok, and there are no major issues. How long until a crewed version is launched again? Two years? Guessing the RCS will be reworked, because they are never launching it again with helium leaks.
diy_guyy on
Remember when people in this sub were certain there were no problems with starliner and that there was no chance nasa would call on spacex?
I remember.
Ormusn2o on
According to NASA representative, when talking to new Boeing CEO, the company is committed to keep the Starliner project going. Also, NASA and Boeing disagreed on whenever the astronauts can return on the Starliner.
olngjhnsn on
Cant believe Boeing kicked and screamed so much about this. Just take your L and improve your vehicle. We don’t need to endanger lives to prove your vanity project. Still crazy to me that due diligence was not done.
TurdFergusonXLV on
I feel like we all knew this was going to happen, but it’s taken months for Boeing and NASA to finally acknowledge it
deadcowww on
It’s pretty clear why this happened and it’s not just poor management. Boeing simply doesn’t have the same 70 hour work week culture that SpaceX has. In addition to that, Boeing is riddled with low performing, high level engineers who have zero urgency in anything that they do. Boeing engineers are also hired with the STAR interview format with no technical questions. SpaceX has a pretty overdone/intimidating technical interview process but it definitely weeds out the “fake it til you make it” crowd. In other words, Boeing is the UC Riverside of USC rejects.
Shredding_Airguitar on
I’ll be honest from my former life this is sweet justice but I do feel for the Starliner engineers. The truth is though, Boeing has received tremendous amounts of funding, far more than many other competitors, and allowances in schedule that many would never receive and they have one of the worst track records on delivering something that works, on time and on cost or anywhere close.
That’s the fundamental issue I see with companies like Boeing and to some extent LM, they have been given perpetual government support magnitudes more than others and they under deliver, so to me criticism is not only deserved but it should be welcomed.
I hope this is a lesson that having financial bean counters as your CEO in an engineering company is never a good idea. Letting a bunch of technically illiterate MBAs run technical programs is never a good idea. Not prioritizing keeping a quality and proper process driven culture is never a good idea. Boeing is the example of a company when you let program management take too much over.
United-Advertising67 on
Gee it sure is a lucky break that Elon Musk went and built an entire parallel space program so we don’t have to beg the Russians for a rescue or just YOLO the astronauts home in a busted vehicle because there’s no other options.
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JAy3k1 on
Am I right is saying that this is still a dangerous return flight, due to the astronauts not having space suits that are compatible with SpaceX Dragon Capsule? Thus returning without wearing any suits?
Kobbett on
Do they know if they can even undock the Starliner yet? Because I think they need to do that first.
Decronym on
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:
|Fewer Letters|More Letters|
|——-|———|—|
|[CC](/r/Space/comments/1f0aeyz/stub/ljqf117 “Last usage”)|Commercial Crew program|
| |Capsule Communicator (ground support)|
|CST|(Boeing) Crew Space Transportation capsules|
| |Central Standard Time (UTC-6)|
|[FFSC](/r/Space/comments/1f0aeyz/stub/ljqimdt “Last usage”)|Full-Flow Staged Combustion|
|[LEO](/r/Space/comments/1f0aeyz/stub/ljqsjef “Last usage”)|Low Earth Orbit (180-2000km)|
| |Law Enforcement Officer (most often mentioned during transport operations)|
|[MBA](/r/Space/comments/1f0aeyz/stub/ljqjcyf “Last usage”)|~~Moonba-~~ Mars Base Alpha|
|[NET](/r/Space/comments/1f0aeyz/stub/ljqobiv “Last usage”)|No Earlier Than|
|[RCS](/r/Space/comments/1f0aeyz/stub/ljqoamp “Last usage”)|Reaction Control System|
|[RTLS](/r/Space/comments/1f0aeyz/stub/ljqj0in “Last usage”)|Return to Launch Site|
|[Roscosmos](/r/Space/comments/1f0aeyz/stub/ljqfnph “Last usage”)|[State Corporation for Space Activities, Russia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roscosmos_State_Corporation)|
|[SLS](/r/Space/comments/1f0aeyz/stub/ljqr545 “Last usage”)|Space Launch System heavy-lift|
|Event|Date|Description|
|——-|———|—|
|[CRS-7](/r/Space/comments/1f0aeyz/stub/ljr42e0 “Last usage”)|2015-06-28|F9-020 v1.1, ~~Dragon cargo~~ Launch failure due to second-stage outgassing|
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How ridiculous of an idea is it if they can’t get Starliner off to build a new module with extra docking ports and send that up?
ReturnOfDaSnack420 on
What an absolutely devastating decision for Boeing (and a deserved one too) hard to imagine a more embarrassing non-disastrous end to the first crewed Starliner flight
singabro on
Boeing forced political games on NASA and this is the result. Any lobbying that risks the lives of astronauts (or anybody) should be a felony, both for the lobbyists and politicians involved.
Chalky_Pockets on
With how much emphasis they put on weight reduction, I’m kinda surprised they have enough food (and whatever other consumables astronauts go through) to allow for 2 extra crew members for that long. Maybe it’s just that the ISS has been going for so long that they have slowly built up a large pantry.
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Lots of kind words for the Boeing staff who worked so hard on this. Seems clear that the failures of the Boeing higher ups shouldn’t reflect down on the staff who worked hard.
1. This was the right decision. The safety of the astronauts is the only thing that matters.
2. This is a disaster for Boeing. Shareholders should be in revolt over the awful management at the company. The stock will crash when the market opens on Monday.
3. This is a triumph for SpaceX and Glynne Shotwell.
this is a failure from boeing as a whole. but also NASA. A big review of NASAs operations are needed. I want us to explore the universe, not explore why this keeps failing
I’m just glad a culture exists now that allowed this to take place rather than stubbornly insisting on using a failing aircraft.
This is a hilarious conclusion of the SpaceX vs Boeing CC debate, old space vs new space.
A lot of people eating prediction for a decade ago, saying SpaceX was the risky one of the two. Now who’s is rescuing who. Lmao
i assume the thrusters in question are similar to these.. you can hear them firing.. pulsing, actually.
it’s a staccato, not a burn. not 2 seconds and done… it’s all the way down.
See the Artemis 1 spacecraft’s fiery Earth re-entry in amazing time-lapse
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L58pWzCsR5I](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L58pWzCsR5I)
Say the uncrewed return flight of Starliner goes ok, and there are no major issues. How long until a crewed version is launched again? Two years? Guessing the RCS will be reworked, because they are never launching it again with helium leaks.
Remember when people in this sub were certain there were no problems with starliner and that there was no chance nasa would call on spacex?
I remember.
According to NASA representative, when talking to new Boeing CEO, the company is committed to keep the Starliner project going. Also, NASA and Boeing disagreed on whenever the astronauts can return on the Starliner.
Cant believe Boeing kicked and screamed so much about this. Just take your L and improve your vehicle. We don’t need to endanger lives to prove your vanity project. Still crazy to me that due diligence was not done.
I feel like we all knew this was going to happen, but it’s taken months for Boeing and NASA to finally acknowledge it
It’s pretty clear why this happened and it’s not just poor management. Boeing simply doesn’t have the same 70 hour work week culture that SpaceX has. In addition to that, Boeing is riddled with low performing, high level engineers who have zero urgency in anything that they do. Boeing engineers are also hired with the STAR interview format with no technical questions. SpaceX has a pretty overdone/intimidating technical interview process but it definitely weeds out the “fake it til you make it” crowd. In other words, Boeing is the UC Riverside of USC rejects.
I’ll be honest from my former life this is sweet justice but I do feel for the Starliner engineers. The truth is though, Boeing has received tremendous amounts of funding, far more than many other competitors, and allowances in schedule that many would never receive and they have one of the worst track records on delivering something that works, on time and on cost or anywhere close.
That’s the fundamental issue I see with companies like Boeing and to some extent LM, they have been given perpetual government support magnitudes more than others and they under deliver, so to me criticism is not only deserved but it should be welcomed.
I hope this is a lesson that having financial bean counters as your CEO in an engineering company is never a good idea. Letting a bunch of technically illiterate MBAs run technical programs is never a good idea. Not prioritizing keeping a quality and proper process driven culture is never a good idea. Boeing is the example of a company when you let program management take too much over.
Gee it sure is a lucky break that Elon Musk went and built an entire parallel space program so we don’t have to beg the Russians for a rescue or just YOLO the astronauts home in a busted vehicle because there’s no other options.
[deleted]
Am I right is saying that this is still a dangerous return flight, due to the astronauts not having space suits that are compatible with SpaceX Dragon Capsule? Thus returning without wearing any suits?
Do they know if they can even undock the Starliner yet? Because I think they need to do that first.
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:
|Fewer Letters|More Letters|
|——-|———|—|
|[CC](/r/Space/comments/1f0aeyz/stub/ljqf117 “Last usage”)|Commercial Crew program|
| |Capsule Communicator (ground support)|
|CST|(Boeing) Crew Space Transportation capsules|
| |Central Standard Time (UTC-6)|
|[FFSC](/r/Space/comments/1f0aeyz/stub/ljqimdt “Last usage”)|Full-Flow Staged Combustion|
|[LEO](/r/Space/comments/1f0aeyz/stub/ljqsjef “Last usage”)|Low Earth Orbit (180-2000km)|
| |Law Enforcement Officer (most often mentioned during transport operations)|
|[MBA](/r/Space/comments/1f0aeyz/stub/ljqjcyf “Last usage”)|~~Moonba-~~ Mars Base Alpha|
|[NET](/r/Space/comments/1f0aeyz/stub/ljqobiv “Last usage”)|No Earlier Than|
|[RCS](/r/Space/comments/1f0aeyz/stub/ljqoamp “Last usage”)|Reaction Control System|
|[RTLS](/r/Space/comments/1f0aeyz/stub/ljqj0in “Last usage”)|Return to Launch Site|
|[Roscosmos](/r/Space/comments/1f0aeyz/stub/ljqfnph “Last usage”)|[State Corporation for Space Activities, Russia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roscosmos_State_Corporation)|
|[SLS](/r/Space/comments/1f0aeyz/stub/ljqr545 “Last usage”)|Space Launch System heavy-lift|
|Jargon|Definition|
|——-|———|—|
|[Starliner](/r/Space/comments/1f0aeyz/stub/ljqydzc “Last usage”)|Boeing commercial crew capsule [CST-100](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_CST-100_Starliner)|
|[methalox](/r/Space/comments/1f0aeyz/stub/ljqimdt “Last usage”)|Portmanteau: methane fuel, liquid oxygen oxidizer|
|Event|Date|Description|
|——-|———|—|
|[CRS-7](/r/Space/comments/1f0aeyz/stub/ljr42e0 “Last usage”)|2015-06-28|F9-020 v1.1, ~~Dragon cargo~~ Launch failure due to second-stage outgassing|
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Yeah. Seems like that’s the plan where they live.
I hope there is no irony during the return trip…
How ridiculous of an idea is it if they can’t get Starliner off to build a new module with extra docking ports and send that up?
What an absolutely devastating decision for Boeing (and a deserved one too) hard to imagine a more embarrassing non-disastrous end to the first crewed Starliner flight
Boeing forced political games on NASA and this is the result. Any lobbying that risks the lives of astronauts (or anybody) should be a felony, both for the lobbyists and politicians involved.
With how much emphasis they put on weight reduction, I’m kinda surprised they have enough food (and whatever other consumables astronauts go through) to allow for 2 extra crew members for that long. Maybe it’s just that the ISS has been going for so long that they have slowly built up a large pantry.