they don’t need to get a gym subscription at least
mantellaaurantiaca on
Snickers isn’t a Nestle brand but Mars. This whole thing is made up and you’re buying into it because it fits your narrative.
6_prine on
Snickers belongs to Mars inc., not Nestlé.
All others things stated as “facts” can be fact checked and proven wrong.
Yes, the system is horrible and these people are the victims, but there are many other people/companies/governments who hold responsibility over that, next to Nestlé.
Their countries not having a minimum wage, and laws to protect children from labor, and offer them education instead, just as a couple of examples.
The problem is much more systematic than 1 company, and it’s a mistake to just point at them as the culprits.
And btw, OP, I freaking hope you don’t consume chocolate in your life.
Edit to add: new companies like *CHOVIVA and NOCOA (cocoa free chocolate)* are a great way for consumers to make their opinions known. Spend your money there. That’s how you vote.
as long as consumers expect to buy their chocolate for today‘s prices, not much will change. there are alternative products which ensure an ethical value chain from bean to end product, but they actually cost upwards of chf 8 per 80 grams. in the end, you get what you pay for, always.
It doesn’t matter that this specific headline is wrong because Nestlé doesn’t own snickers. People getting defensive over that mega-corporation because it’s “Swiss” are pathetic and should do a 15 minutes internet search before looking at themselves in a mirror.
yesat on
Cocoa is one of the hardest produced to separate between ethically harvested one and the one where people are exploited. [The Washington Post did an investigation in 2019](https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/business/hershey-nestle-mars-chocolate-child-labor-west-africa/). Tiny artisan can maybe make direct contact with specific farms, but the big companies work with many intermediaries and these middle men will hide away their providers, authorities are taking a cut,… And because most farms are really smalls, often working with workers crossing borders, the oversight is really hard.
Nestle, Mars, Hershey,… all don’t try their hardest, but it’s always going to be a mess, especially with the aburd demands we have, they can just claim “we need to follow demand.”
There’s starting to get more work dones with local governements
to try to cut that behaviour at the roots.
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swissm4n on
When speaking about child labor in Ivory Coast or the neighboring countries, keep in mind their demographics.
70% of people are aged 29 and under.
54% are aged 19 and under.
Compared to Switzerland :
33% of people are aged 29 and under.
20% of people are aged 19 and under.
Not defending shitty pay or child labor. It’s just something people don’t usually take into consideration. There are just not enough adults.
boi61 on
While Nestle is a horrible company, we as a society have to learn not to believe stuff from random social media profiles. The amount of false information is insane online.
Grand_Dadais on
Yes, even if it’s not neslte directly, it’s pretty trash. But we’re hiding all the stuff we don’t really want to see (how meat is exploited, how the sewers work, how populations with low purchase power gets enslaved by big corporations so we can taste sweet stuff, etc.)
It’d be so much more glorious if at 18 we’d have to go into an slaughterhouse/industrial meat factory + visit the sewers of our cities + some serious videos about how we let big corporations do abyssal trash behaviors in remote not-rich countries.
But that would be difficult for us to function in society if we understood the depth of stupidity and nasty behaviors. We would consume much less and therefor the mighty economy wouldn’t be able to grow its energy and material flux as much as possible each year !
But worry not, we’re crashing this civilization this century, regardless of how humans will live afterwards. We’ve poisoned the only spaceship we know of and we’re actively destroying the conditions for this civilization to evolve (the destruction of the thin conditions necessary for agriculture, be it from climate chaos or topsoil degradation or water poisining, among many other things that experts in their fiels could develop).
Accelerate :]]]
Stock-Variation-2237 on
I had looked into this statement and, if I remember correctly, Nestlé does not produce cocoa directly. Nestlé buys from companies that exploit people in countries that have no worker and kids protection laws.
It does not mean that it is good. It means that the problem is not directly Nestlé. An that matters. A lot.
It matters because it is very easy to blame one big company and forget about the system as a whole and our own responsibility. 99% of the chocolate you consume has been produced like that. Now that you know, will you stop eating chocolate ? because that would make you complicit of this exploitation.
What needs to be changed are consumer awareness and habits and the economic system.
Getting all worked up about one big evil company, while forgetting about all the other big companies and our own personal responsibility is lamentable and too easy.
Correct_Blackberry31 on
For some countries to be as rich as Switzerland and western countries, you need to exploit people, sad reality, but are we all ready to give up our comforts and see prices soar for greater equality in the world?
vega_9 on
Yeah WTH. Nestlé and Mars should invade that country, kill their dictator, establish a new government and develop new human rights laws.
Flat-Neighborhood-55 on
Consumers kicking in to defend Nestle in 3, 2, 1…
Same goes for the water. These guys took a shit on us but hey they are in the top 10 swiss companies so tough luck.
I’m still mad that the Konzernverantwortungsinitiative wasn’t accepted because of financial fearmongering, I don’t care if it means less money for Switzerland, if it means freedom for children
postmodernist1987 on
Slavery and exploitation are not the same thing. Both are bad but we will not improve things by calling things by the wrong word. We should try to improve the situation for both.
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they don’t need to get a gym subscription at least
Snickers isn’t a Nestle brand but Mars. This whole thing is made up and you’re buying into it because it fits your narrative.
Snickers belongs to Mars inc., not Nestlé.
All others things stated as “facts” can be fact checked and proven wrong.
Yes, the system is horrible and these people are the victims, but there are many other people/companies/governments who hold responsibility over that, next to Nestlé.
Their countries not having a minimum wage, and laws to protect children from labor, and offer them education instead, just as a couple of examples.
The problem is much more systematic than 1 company, and it’s a mistake to just point at them as the culprits.
And btw, OP, I freaking hope you don’t consume chocolate in your life.
Edit to add: new companies like *CHOVIVA and NOCOA (cocoa free chocolate)* are a great way for consumers to make their opinions known. Spend your money there. That’s how you vote.
Come on, chop chop ! Daddy needs his latte
Stupid Ständemehr
https://www.publiceye.ch/de/themen/konzernverantwortung/die-konzernverantwortungsinitiative#:~:text=Die%20Konzernverantwortungsinitiative%20(KVI)%20wurde%202015,und%20f%C3%BCr%20Sch%C3%A4den%20geradestehen%20m%C3%BCssen.
as long as consumers expect to buy their chocolate for today‘s prices, not much will change. there are alternative products which ensure an ethical value chain from bean to end product, but they actually cost upwards of chf 8 per 80 grams. in the end, you get what you pay for, always.
Whats with the comments claiming this isnt true? Okay, they fucked up the part about Mars/Nestle but that doesn’t mean [slavery isnt happening](https://www.antislavery.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/1_cocoa_report_2004.pdf)
It doesn’t matter that this specific headline is wrong because Nestlé doesn’t own snickers. People getting defensive over that mega-corporation because it’s “Swiss” are pathetic and should do a 15 minutes internet search before looking at themselves in a mirror.
Cocoa is one of the hardest produced to separate between ethically harvested one and the one where people are exploited. [The Washington Post did an investigation in 2019](https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/business/hershey-nestle-mars-chocolate-child-labor-west-africa/). Tiny artisan can maybe make direct contact with specific farms, but the big companies work with many intermediaries and these middle men will hide away their providers, authorities are taking a cut,… And because most farms are really smalls, often working with workers crossing borders, the oversight is really hard.
Nestle, Mars, Hershey,… all don’t try their hardest, but it’s always going to be a mess, especially with the aburd demands we have, they can just claim “we need to follow demand.”
There’s starting to get more work dones with local governements
to try to cut that behaviour at the roots.
[deleted]
When speaking about child labor in Ivory Coast or the neighboring countries, keep in mind their demographics.
70% of people are aged 29 and under.
54% are aged 19 and under.
Compared to Switzerland :
33% of people are aged 29 and under.
20% of people are aged 19 and under.
Not defending shitty pay or child labor. It’s just something people don’t usually take into consideration. There are just not enough adults.
While Nestle is a horrible company, we as a society have to learn not to believe stuff from random social media profiles. The amount of false information is insane online.
Yes, even if it’s not neslte directly, it’s pretty trash. But we’re hiding all the stuff we don’t really want to see (how meat is exploited, how the sewers work, how populations with low purchase power gets enslaved by big corporations so we can taste sweet stuff, etc.)
It’d be so much more glorious if at 18 we’d have to go into an slaughterhouse/industrial meat factory + visit the sewers of our cities + some serious videos about how we let big corporations do abyssal trash behaviors in remote not-rich countries.
But that would be difficult for us to function in society if we understood the depth of stupidity and nasty behaviors. We would consume much less and therefor the mighty economy wouldn’t be able to grow its energy and material flux as much as possible each year !
But worry not, we’re crashing this civilization this century, regardless of how humans will live afterwards. We’ve poisoned the only spaceship we know of and we’re actively destroying the conditions for this civilization to evolve (the destruction of the thin conditions necessary for agriculture, be it from climate chaos or topsoil degradation or water poisining, among many other things that experts in their fiels could develop).
Accelerate :]]]
I had looked into this statement and, if I remember correctly, Nestlé does not produce cocoa directly. Nestlé buys from companies that exploit people in countries that have no worker and kids protection laws.
It does not mean that it is good. It means that the problem is not directly Nestlé. An that matters. A lot.
It matters because it is very easy to blame one big company and forget about the system as a whole and our own responsibility. 99% of the chocolate you consume has been produced like that. Now that you know, will you stop eating chocolate ? because that would make you complicit of this exploitation.
What needs to be changed are consumer awareness and habits and the economic system.
Getting all worked up about one big evil company, while forgetting about all the other big companies and our own personal responsibility is lamentable and too easy.
For some countries to be as rich as Switzerland and western countries, you need to exploit people, sad reality, but are we all ready to give up our comforts and see prices soar for greater equality in the world?
Yeah WTH. Nestlé and Mars should invade that country, kill their dictator, establish a new government and develop new human rights laws.
Consumers kicking in to defend Nestle in 3, 2, 1…
Same goes for the water. These guys took a shit on us but hey they are in the top 10 swiss companies so tough luck.
[https://konzernverantwortung.ch/](https://konzernverantwortung.ch/)
it is hun
I’m still mad that the Konzernverantwortungsinitiative wasn’t accepted because of financial fearmongering, I don’t care if it means less money for Switzerland, if it means freedom for children
Slavery and exploitation are not the same thing. Both are bad but we will not improve things by calling things by the wrong word. We should try to improve the situation for both.