Can you specify which land you mean exactly, because this is a map of massacre sites during the Genocide that took place when Western Armenia was under ottoman occupation
Din0zavr on
The last Armenian Kingdom was from 1198-1375, before that there were several kingdoms the dates of which you can find in Wikipedia. But even after that Armenian ishkans and different houses had different amount of autonomy. The last fully autonomous state before the 1st republic was Dabit Bek’s in 18th century.
Also this map is very exaggerated. Look online for the Greater Armenia for the real hostorical Armenian borders.
Administrator98 on
Looks like all armenian kingdoms are merged.
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Missglad1 on
When armenia ruled whole eastern georgia? )
hahabobby on
Armenia never controlled the Black Sea region and controlled Cappadocia (central Turkey) only briefly 2000 years ago during Tigran the Great’s reign. However, Armenians continued to live in these regions till the 20th century (in the case of the Black Sea region, Armenians still do since Hamshens live there).
~~Armenia also never controlled that much of Georgia.~~
Most of eastern Turkey was under Armenian control until the 1000s CE during the Bagratid kingdom. Armenians continued to live in these regions till the Genocide, however. Kars, Ardahan, and Igdir were most recently under Armenian control in the early 1920s as part of the First Republic.
Cilicia was last under Armenian control in the 1300s as part of the Kingdom of Cilicia, however, a semi-autonomous Armenian principality existed in Zeytun till the Genocide. There was also a semi-autonomous Armenian principality further east, in Sasoon, till the Genocide. Armenians continued to live in parts of Cilicia till the 1930s, and one Armenian village (Vagif, Turkey) still exists there (or more, if Kessab, Syria, was considered part of Cilicia). Karabakh/Artsakh was under Armenian control as recently last year.
Nakhichevan was under Armenian control as recently as the 1920s as part of the First Republic. The rest of Azerbaijan was under Armenian control most recently in the 400s during the Arsacid kingdom.
Western Lake Urmia and far northern Iraq were most recently under Armenian control in the 1000s, during the Bagratid Kingdom. The other regions of northern Iran east of Lake Urmia were last under Armenian control during the Artaxiad Kingdom. Armenians continue to live in northern Iran and Iraq, but I believe the Iraqi ones are descended from Genocide survivors and not the historic Armenian population of Iraq.
Edit: those parts of Georgia were vassals of Tigran the Great’s, so Armenia did control them briefly 2000 years ago.
CrazyAggravating9069 on
Christ I hate Turks so sad this happened and is happening to a fellow Christian people
HorserorOfHorsekind on
I was wondering how Armenia became Christian sitting all the way in the Eastern mountains. So in the Roman times it was a large area. How interesting.
Apprehensive-Scene62 on
It’s called Homeland. Doesn’t necessarily mean “rule”. I mean Egyptians didn’t rule Egypt for almost 2500 years should that mean they shouldnt live in Egypt?
The mental gymnastics to come up with any BS is why Turks are called Torke khar in Iran
Nitro_V on
If I’m not mistaken this looks like either the map of Armenia during Tigranes the Great or a merge of Armenian state entities, the last Armenian empire on Greater Armenian land was the Bagratid dynasty, the Zakarids were till 1350 but if my memory serves me right, never were recognized as a state(during the old days, a king from a recognized state had to crown your king for your country to be recognized).
This map also includes Cilicia, which is not in Greater Armenia territory but had a condensed Armenian population and during the Rubenian dynasty became a non official state and during the Hetumids became an official state, this lasted till 1375.
Also there was the Principality of Khachen which lasted till 1603, but not sure if it was fully autonomous or under Persian rule.
Afterwards some parts were governed by Armenians(under Persian, Turkish, Russian rule), others were fully assimilated.
Clandestine-Martyr on
These lands were controlled by Armenians when the horde were fucking their family members in central Asia.
Armenians are native to the land. Turks are not and never will be.
And yes, this is the true map of where Armenians have lived for more than 5000 years. Armenian homeland.
Smooth_Warning_3382 on
The “historic Armenia borders” label on this map is wrong. These are places with historically large Armenian populations. Though there were Armenian kingdoms or vassal states larger than present-day Armenia.
Svanisword on
As far im concerned, Eastern Georgia and South-Western Georgia aren’t “Armenian Historic Borders” .
Shouldn’t be the areas called “once controlled or vassallized by the Armenian ruling dynasties “?
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Can you specify which land you mean exactly, because this is a map of massacre sites during the Genocide that took place when Western Armenia was under ottoman occupation
The last Armenian Kingdom was from 1198-1375, before that there were several kingdoms the dates of which you can find in Wikipedia. But even after that Armenian ishkans and different houses had different amount of autonomy. The last fully autonomous state before the 1st republic was Dabit Bek’s in 18th century.
Also this map is very exaggerated. Look online for the Greater Armenia for the real hostorical Armenian borders.
Looks like all armenian kingdoms are merged.
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When armenia ruled whole eastern georgia? )
Armenia never controlled the Black Sea region and controlled Cappadocia (central Turkey) only briefly 2000 years ago during Tigran the Great’s reign. However, Armenians continued to live in these regions till the 20th century (in the case of the Black Sea region, Armenians still do since Hamshens live there).
~~Armenia also never controlled that much of Georgia.~~
Most of eastern Turkey was under Armenian control until the 1000s CE during the Bagratid kingdom. Armenians continued to live in these regions till the Genocide, however. Kars, Ardahan, and Igdir were most recently under Armenian control in the early 1920s as part of the First Republic.
Cilicia was last under Armenian control in the 1300s as part of the Kingdom of Cilicia, however, a semi-autonomous Armenian principality existed in Zeytun till the Genocide. There was also a semi-autonomous Armenian principality further east, in Sasoon, till the Genocide. Armenians continued to live in parts of Cilicia till the 1930s, and one Armenian village (Vagif, Turkey) still exists there (or more, if Kessab, Syria, was considered part of Cilicia). Karabakh/Artsakh was under Armenian control as recently last year.
Nakhichevan was under Armenian control as recently as the 1920s as part of the First Republic. The rest of Azerbaijan was under Armenian control most recently in the 400s during the Arsacid kingdom.
Western Lake Urmia and far northern Iraq were most recently under Armenian control in the 1000s, during the Bagratid Kingdom. The other regions of northern Iran east of Lake Urmia were last under Armenian control during the Artaxiad Kingdom. Armenians continue to live in northern Iran and Iraq, but I believe the Iraqi ones are descended from Genocide survivors and not the historic Armenian population of Iraq.
Edit: those parts of Georgia were vassals of Tigran the Great’s, so Armenia did control them briefly 2000 years ago.
Christ I hate Turks so sad this happened and is happening to a fellow Christian people
I was wondering how Armenia became Christian sitting all the way in the Eastern mountains. So in the Roman times it was a large area. How interesting.
It’s called Homeland. Doesn’t necessarily mean “rule”. I mean Egyptians didn’t rule Egypt for almost 2500 years should that mean they shouldnt live in Egypt?
The mental gymnastics to come up with any BS is why Turks are called Torke khar in Iran
If I’m not mistaken this looks like either the map of Armenia during Tigranes the Great or a merge of Armenian state entities, the last Armenian empire on Greater Armenian land was the Bagratid dynasty, the Zakarids were till 1350 but if my memory serves me right, never were recognized as a state(during the old days, a king from a recognized state had to crown your king for your country to be recognized).
This map also includes Cilicia, which is not in Greater Armenia territory but had a condensed Armenian population and during the Rubenian dynasty became a non official state and during the Hetumids became an official state, this lasted till 1375.
Also there was the Principality of Khachen which lasted till 1603, but not sure if it was fully autonomous or under Persian rule.
Afterwards some parts were governed by Armenians(under Persian, Turkish, Russian rule), others were fully assimilated.
These lands were controlled by Armenians when the horde were fucking their family members in central Asia.
Armenians are native to the land. Turks are not and never will be.
And yes, this is the true map of where Armenians have lived for more than 5000 years. Armenian homeland.
The “historic Armenia borders” label on this map is wrong. These are places with historically large Armenian populations. Though there were Armenian kingdoms or vassal states larger than present-day Armenia.
As far im concerned, Eastern Georgia and South-Western Georgia aren’t “Armenian Historic Borders” .
Shouldn’t be the areas called “once controlled or vassallized by the Armenian ruling dynasties “?