Trump has never had over 48% of the nation backing him.
Trump I think lost a lot of votes after Jan6 and Dobbs.
There are these pieces, elected GOP officials, his cabinet… Not voting Trump.
Decent chunks of traditional GOP voters have said no to Trump.
I get it, the cult is large, the EC is dumb.
With all of that… How is Trump still viable in the election and or the polls?
Na4anton on
Trump doesn’t represent real conservative values anymore, and honestly, Harris is the better choice for our future.
OpenImagination9 on
This is the problem when people confuse the modern “conservative” movement with just having basic decency and values.
They are not the same. A decent person accepts people as they are, fights for the oppressed, believes no one should be homeless or hungry in such a wealthy country, knows that our natural resources are the most valuable inheritance we can leave for future generations, understands that the founding fathers were well-intentioned but flawed and a product of their time.
The conversation we should be having is about how to move America forward, how to make everyone’s lives better. Instead we are forced to protect democracy because if we don’t there’s no future.
Fab_Glam_Obsidiam on
The Republicans haven’t been conservative for a long time. They are a regressive party.
-misanthroptimist on
He’s no conservative, true. But he’s also not an American. TraitorTot is a Russian asset who hates us and is actively trying to destroy us.
Yve2rgess3 on
It’s surprising to see Republicans backing Kamala Harris, but integrity matters more than party lines. Trump’s divisive rhetoric has hurt us too much; we need a leader who can unite. Harris may not be perfect, but she’s the better choice.
ranchoparksteve on
Trump has enormous baggage these days. Unless hatred of immigrants drives your entire politics, Trump’s lack of conservative values is a real problem.
feral-pug on
These guys are what’s left over after the GOP was taken over by a populist grifter with no real, consistent, coherent policy base other than “worship me”.
epanek on
Trump is a shitty vessel for policy. You don’t get nuanced policy from Trump. You get moments of impulse. Then when things get tough he moves on.
Nervous-Pickle-5379 on
In today’s modern era of communication, polls are useless. Many still rely on phone calls, and who still answers unknown numbers? Older folks with landlines. I am a Republican who is voting for Harris because, well FUCK TRUMP. Many members of family who are also voting for Harris while some of the others, the older folks, are voting Trump.
While I have never gotten a survey call, my mom has gotten like 7. She is in her 70s, has a landline, and she answers the phone. She also plans on voting for Trump. My kids, who are Republicans are voting Harris and also have never received a polling call.
GearBrain on
Bullshit.
Trump is the *arch*-conservative. He is the kind of authoritarian strong-man conservative people in this nation have been dreaming of. The only problem with him is that conservatives can’t control him – that’s why they don’t like him.
This is conservative pundits, power-brokers, politicians, and other folks who actually stand to lose something beginning their great narrative re-write. They were misled, or stunned, or hoodwinked. Or they never really liked him, or always thought there was something funny about him.
Bull. Shit.
This man has shaped himself into the avatar of American conservatism. He is racist, homophobic, xenophobic, and believes only in whatever will give him money or dominion over others. He doesn’t care about other people, especially those ‘beneath’ him, and he has no morals or boundaries.
Conservatives made their bed – now they get to sleep in it. No disassociation, no pulling away, no forgiveness. We’re living through hell right now, and it’s American conservatism that caused it.
Fuck them. I appreciate their votes, but fuck them.
Raspberries-Are-Evil on
>”we believe character and integrity matter. That’s why we proudly supported Ambassador Nikki Haley for president and were part of her Michigan Leadership Team.”
I stopped reading after that. Nikki has shown she has no integrity, at all.
FrostingFun2041 on
The polls have consistently failed to accurately account for Trump. He has consistently exceeded polling numbers. Let’s not forget that and assume Harris is ahead expeshally with how tight the race seems to be in the polls.
Duke_Newcombe on
He may not be the “black letter”, quiet room version of Conservatism, but so-called “conservatives” sure as hell used him as a stalking horse to implement their policies.
So, yeah. You *still* “own him”, and everything he’s done.
boot2skull on
Voting against trump should *help* heal the party, he even said he won’t run again, but the power of the grift is probably too strong for Trump to stick to his word and the GOP to abandon him. Sorry, three sane conservatives.
Gaius_Octavius_ on
Trump is actually very conservative. He wants things to go back to the 50s where rich white men could do anything and everyone else was there to serve them and make them money.
UnluckyStar237 on
I’m really happy to see Haley Voters for Harris as a group. They are placing ads in swing states and moving the ball forward to put country over party. Nikki Haley is not happy but she sold her soul for hopes of a political future that doesn’t exist.
Rasp_Lime_Lipbalm on
What exactly is MAGA “Conserving” ?
They’re trying to introduce radical policies like nationwide sales tax, nationwide abortion bans, radical tariff policies, radical executive branch changes (like having the AG work directly for it), bring the Fed into the rule of the executive brach, etc…
They’re proposing to radically change this country. MAGA and Trump are NOT Conservatives.
Syebost11 on
That’s exactly what he is. Conservatives are just uncomfortable having their beliefs projected back at them so openly because they always hide behind lies and dogwhistles.
kagethemage on
Correct. Trump is a Fascist and Harris is a Conservative.
melon-party on
He’s the embodiment of exactly the attitudes and policies they’ve espoused for decades. They can pretend all they like but they’re exactly the same.
MyCleverNewName on
Trump got as far into conservative as CON and then went off on a deranged tangent about magnets or sharks or something
MercantileReptile on
This Article reads to me like it was not written by a human. But by a parallel version of humans. From the very beginning:
>As Republicans, we believe character and integrity matter.
As individuals, these two may well value such traits. As Republicans? Have you seen your party? All it entails? To even use “Republican” as an identity that would support or disavow these traits is bizarre.
Likewise, their support of Haley being explained by these values. Even mentioned again, later on:
>On foreign policy, as Ambassador Haley rightfully noted, Trump gets “weak in the knees” on Putin.
The very same one still voting for Trump? Still kissing the ring, after her humiliating, half arsed attempt at challenging the Trump train. Character, Integrity? I struggle to find either in the vaunted “Ambassador” .
Pathetic.
Poke_Jest on
I saw a post the other day say “Please remember. Trump is Maga. Not all Conservatives are Maga, and we do not like him.”
Watch this fucker still get 70m+ votes and all of them act surprised. You may try to distance yourself to save your image but i bet you still vote for this ass hat.
ManiaGamine on
Counterpoint. Trump is about as pure a conservative as it gets. A narcissistic privileged bully who desperately wants to relive his glory days and take the country back to a made for TV golden era that never actually existed.
He actually perfectly represents what conservatism strives for in my opinion. This is a fucker who has all but had slaves working for him (What do you call someone who works for you that you don’t pay if not a slave?) and conservatives have pretty much been on the wrong side of every issue in the past few centuries yet through deception and systemic advantage they not only get away with it but often thrive.
So no, I know conservatives want to distance themselves from him and try to save conservatism from him but seriously guys (and yes it is mostly guys) look in the mirror and tell me he doesn’t represent what you’ve been selling for the past 50+ years better than you.
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What does “conservative” even mean?
Seems like a useless buzzword
Here’s what I don’t get it…
*All* the Democrats are voting for Harris.
Trump has never had over 48% of the nation backing him.
Trump I think lost a lot of votes after Jan6 and Dobbs.
There are these pieces, elected GOP officials, his cabinet… Not voting Trump.
Decent chunks of traditional GOP voters have said no to Trump.
I get it, the cult is large, the EC is dumb.
With all of that… How is Trump still viable in the election and or the polls?
Trump doesn’t represent real conservative values anymore, and honestly, Harris is the better choice for our future.
This is the problem when people confuse the modern “conservative” movement with just having basic decency and values.
They are not the same. A decent person accepts people as they are, fights for the oppressed, believes no one should be homeless or hungry in such a wealthy country, knows that our natural resources are the most valuable inheritance we can leave for future generations, understands that the founding fathers were well-intentioned but flawed and a product of their time.
The conversation we should be having is about how to move America forward, how to make everyone’s lives better. Instead we are forced to protect democracy because if we don’t there’s no future.
The Republicans haven’t been conservative for a long time. They are a regressive party.
He’s no conservative, true. But he’s also not an American. TraitorTot is a Russian asset who hates us and is actively trying to destroy us.
It’s surprising to see Republicans backing Kamala Harris, but integrity matters more than party lines. Trump’s divisive rhetoric has hurt us too much; we need a leader who can unite. Harris may not be perfect, but she’s the better choice.
Trump has enormous baggage these days. Unless hatred of immigrants drives your entire politics, Trump’s lack of conservative values is a real problem.
These guys are what’s left over after the GOP was taken over by a populist grifter with no real, consistent, coherent policy base other than “worship me”.
Trump is a shitty vessel for policy. You don’t get nuanced policy from Trump. You get moments of impulse. Then when things get tough he moves on.
In today’s modern era of communication, polls are useless. Many still rely on phone calls, and who still answers unknown numbers? Older folks with landlines. I am a Republican who is voting for Harris because, well FUCK TRUMP. Many members of family who are also voting for Harris while some of the others, the older folks, are voting Trump.
While I have never gotten a survey call, my mom has gotten like 7. She is in her 70s, has a landline, and she answers the phone. She also plans on voting for Trump. My kids, who are Republicans are voting Harris and also have never received a polling call.
Bullshit.
Trump is the *arch*-conservative. He is the kind of authoritarian strong-man conservative people in this nation have been dreaming of. The only problem with him is that conservatives can’t control him – that’s why they don’t like him.
This is conservative pundits, power-brokers, politicians, and other folks who actually stand to lose something beginning their great narrative re-write. They were misled, or stunned, or hoodwinked. Or they never really liked him, or always thought there was something funny about him.
Bull. Shit.
This man has shaped himself into the avatar of American conservatism. He is racist, homophobic, xenophobic, and believes only in whatever will give him money or dominion over others. He doesn’t care about other people, especially those ‘beneath’ him, and he has no morals or boundaries.
Conservatives made their bed – now they get to sleep in it. No disassociation, no pulling away, no forgiveness. We’re living through hell right now, and it’s American conservatism that caused it.
Fuck them. I appreciate their votes, but fuck them.
>”we believe character and integrity matter. That’s why we proudly supported Ambassador Nikki Haley for president and were part of her Michigan Leadership Team.”
I stopped reading after that. Nikki has shown she has no integrity, at all.
The polls have consistently failed to accurately account for Trump. He has consistently exceeded polling numbers. Let’s not forget that and assume Harris is ahead expeshally with how tight the race seems to be in the polls.
He may not be the “black letter”, quiet room version of Conservatism, but so-called “conservatives” sure as hell used him as a stalking horse to implement their policies.
So, yeah. You *still* “own him”, and everything he’s done.
Voting against trump should *help* heal the party, he even said he won’t run again, but the power of the grift is probably too strong for Trump to stick to his word and the GOP to abandon him. Sorry, three sane conservatives.
Trump is actually very conservative. He wants things to go back to the 50s where rich white men could do anything and everyone else was there to serve them and make them money.
I’m really happy to see Haley Voters for Harris as a group. They are placing ads in swing states and moving the ball forward to put country over party. Nikki Haley is not happy but she sold her soul for hopes of a political future that doesn’t exist.
What exactly is MAGA “Conserving” ?
They’re trying to introduce radical policies like nationwide sales tax, nationwide abortion bans, radical tariff policies, radical executive branch changes (like having the AG work directly for it), bring the Fed into the rule of the executive brach, etc…
They’re proposing to radically change this country. MAGA and Trump are NOT Conservatives.
That’s exactly what he is. Conservatives are just uncomfortable having their beliefs projected back at them so openly because they always hide behind lies and dogwhistles.
Correct. Trump is a Fascist and Harris is a Conservative.
He’s the embodiment of exactly the attitudes and policies they’ve espoused for decades. They can pretend all they like but they’re exactly the same.
Trump got as far into conservative as CON and then went off on a deranged tangent about magnets or sharks or something
This Article reads to me like it was not written by a human. But by a parallel version of humans. From the very beginning:
>As Republicans, we believe character and integrity matter.
As individuals, these two may well value such traits. As Republicans? Have you seen your party? All it entails? To even use “Republican” as an identity that would support or disavow these traits is bizarre.
Likewise, their support of Haley being explained by these values. Even mentioned again, later on:
>On foreign policy, as Ambassador Haley rightfully noted, Trump gets “weak in the knees” on Putin.
The very same one still voting for Trump? Still kissing the ring, after her humiliating, half arsed attempt at challenging the Trump train. Character, Integrity? I struggle to find either in the vaunted “Ambassador” .
Pathetic.
I saw a post the other day say “Please remember. Trump is Maga. Not all Conservatives are Maga, and we do not like him.”
Watch this fucker still get 70m+ votes and all of them act surprised. You may try to distance yourself to save your image but i bet you still vote for this ass hat.
Counterpoint. Trump is about as pure a conservative as it gets. A narcissistic privileged bully who desperately wants to relive his glory days and take the country back to a made for TV golden era that never actually existed.
He actually perfectly represents what conservatism strives for in my opinion. This is a fucker who has all but had slaves working for him (What do you call someone who works for you that you don’t pay if not a slave?) and conservatives have pretty much been on the wrong side of every issue in the past few centuries yet through deception and systemic advantage they not only get away with it but often thrive.
So no, I know conservatives want to distance themselves from him and try to save conservatism from him but seriously guys (and yes it is mostly guys) look in the mirror and tell me he doesn’t represent what you’ve been selling for the past 50+ years better than you.