I had a ~~dream~~ nightmare last night where Trump was leading in the polls. I can’t believe I dream about polls. WTF is happening to me?
terrasig314 on
Yeah well Washington didn’t have any biological children, so what does he know? /s
Mav34eeman4 on
John Kelly’s point about Washington going home highlights the essential truth: true leaders know when to step back. Unlike Trump, who clings to power, Washington understood that democracy thrives when leaders relinquish control, ensuring freedom remains with the people.
nocountryforcoldham on
And that’s what GOP wants because it’s been taken over by confederate traitors
Tree_Skeleton on
It must be nice, to have Washington on your side.
WillieIngus on
says here teeth were made of wool
bennyblue420000 on
Borders and citizenship were extremely important to Washington. He also did not believe that the younger generation should be left with the debts of the older generation
-misanthroptimist on
The legacy of the man who “cannot tell a lie” will be ended by a man who cannot tell the truth. That’s pretty sad.
VaronDiStefano______ on
I have no doubt in my mind that the Founding Fathers would be liberal Democrats today. People love pointing to them as conservative icons for whatever reason
pl487 on
Let’s be honest: that vision ended a while back.
ViewAdditional7400 on
Whelp, that explains the downfall we’ve all had.
Saul-Funyun on
George Washington, the President who violated his oath of office by using the power of the Presidency to pressure government workers to track down his wife’s favorite runaway slave?
Trueslyforaniceguy on
Cmon America, let’s not fuck this one up, eh?
Mariett2ooth on
Reelecting Trump would totally undermine what Washington hoped for in a president and the country. It’s like turning back the clock on democracy itself.
Boat_of_Charon on
I dislike Trump as much as the next guy but this is a weak sauce take. Grover Cleveland came back for another term. Not saying it’s right but this precedent has already been broken. Btw, Washington got involved in politics after he left, his reputation is preserved because he didn’t live long enough to become the villain. Teddy Roosevelt also came back, and it did seriously harm his reputation after running again and handing Wilson the presidency.
penguins_are_mean on
I’ll be honest, I’m getting beyond sick of these types of posts. I hate Trump as much as the next person on Reddit but these posts really do get mentally exhausting. We all know this. This isn’t new.
TheJohnCandyValley on
Are we forgetting his first term? Washington is already very upset I assure you.
MoscowMarge on
If Trump/Vance get elected, Trump will be out asap and we’d be looking at a Vance/Johnson presidency.
It’s difficult to even imagine what that would look like as 6 months ago Vance’s positions were opposite what he claims they are now.
– Removing women’s right to vote
– Revoking any LGBTQ rights and branding them criminals
– End of Interracial marriage
– Federal Abortion Ban
– Religion taught in schools
Basically we are looking to be subjugated under Christian Sharia in six months or so.
LovesFrenchLove_More on
The wet dream of Putin, Xi, Iran, North Korea and so many other dictators.
Competitive_Yam7702 on
Maga doesnt care. They want it to be a dictorial state. Similar to russia, NK, and other countries. They also dont care about trump. Theyre using him as a pawn. Once he is in power and theyve done exactly what they threatened to do, they can oust trump, get rid of him, or whatever, and they still retain control.
That is their ultimate goal. Trump may be a asshole, scumbag, criminal etc, but its not him calling the shots. It never has been.
guttanzer on
The USA as we knew it ended with the immunity decision by the Supreme Court. Fascism is here, it just hasn’t fully blossomed yet.
Congress needs to override the immunity decision with a clarifying law, and the President needs to sign it. This can only happen if both Congress and the Executive branch are blue.
Vote like your country depends on it. It does.
Appropriate-City3389 on
The founding fathers were so naive. They never envisioned such a depraved, stupid man and felon would ever run for president.
D_Anger_Dan on
Methinks George Washington’s vision ended when he doth died.
HorrorHistorical7528 on
no shit
CardMechanic on
“History has its eyes on you.”
Zerostar39 on
I don’t think it was just George Washington. There were other people involved in the foundation of the United States
favnh2011 on
Yep
apost8n8 on
Tom Nichols is my spirit animal.
lastburn138 on
There is literally no justifiable reason to vote for a convicted criminal, traitor, and rapist for President. No matter what ANYONE says, there is no good reason. We’d be better off electing a bag of hammers.
Several-Cheesecake94 on
Suddenly this sub cares about what Washington wanted??
Brent_L on
Unfortunately, this will not be the end of someone like Trump. There will younger slicker version of him in the near future if we don’t actually have some types of safeguards in place.
Travelerdude on
This quote sums it up.
“Today, America stands at such a moment. A vengeful and emotionally unstable former president—a convicted felon, an insurrectionist, an admirer of foreign dictators, a racist and a misogynist—desires to return to office as an autocrat. Trump has left no doubt about his intentions; he practically shouts them every chance he gets. His deepest motives are to salve his ego, punish his enemies, and place himself above the law. Should he regain the Oval Office, he may well bring with him the experience and the means to complete the authoritarian project that he began in his first term.”
MedicalDeviceJesus on
The fact that he was President in 2016 already marked the end. All we have to look forward to is him and worse versions of him and his cult.
Joshua1234155 on
“Stand with anyone that is right; stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong.” –
Abraham Lincoln
emostitch on
I wonder if Nichols acknowledges that it was Conservatives like him that carved this path and shaped this country into a place where Trump took over the movement. Nichols story for being a conservative is because he thought Democrats were mean for booing a FARC terrorist at a lecture in the 1980s. And then told me, a Soviet refugee whose great grandparents lived through Holodmor, that I just don’t understand communism enough when I said that was stupid because I think it makes perfect sense to boo a terrorist even if he calls himself an anti communist guerrilla.
PineTreeBanjo on
It would also mark the end for Ukraine. And Taiwan. Other parts of Europe depending on how much Republicans offer military aid to other fellow dictators. It could destabilize other regions, and currency.
Very_Nice_Zombie on
You got that right.
All sane people in this country recognize that very fact.
Captain_Inverse on
George Washington, founding member of the USA, excellent General, knew when to step down from power for the betterment of the nation. All good things, but we are so far removed from his era, I honestly don’t care what his vision was. Would there be some overlap, sure, but we as a country need to determine what’s important in leadership and our future based on our own values not his, he’s long gone and can no longer help us. DT represents some of the worst characteristics of a person, corruption, rejecting reality for lies, taking joy in stepping on others to push yourself up, etc. The rejection of DT, the fraud, has to come from the here and now. Then after we need to begin to look at visions for the US that take into consideration modern events and more learned history
SalaryNo3916 on
George Washington..?
You mean that guy who, with his extremist co-conspirators, led a violent revolution to overthrow the established government control over his home country’s colonies?
Wasn’t taking America for himself, his wealthy landowner aristocrat friends, and any other idiot farmers with pitchforks who joined his call to ‘fight’ his vision for the presidency?
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I had a ~~dream~~ nightmare last night where Trump was leading in the polls. I can’t believe I dream about polls. WTF is happening to me?
Yeah well Washington didn’t have any biological children, so what does he know? /s
John Kelly’s point about Washington going home highlights the essential truth: true leaders know when to step back. Unlike Trump, who clings to power, Washington understood that democracy thrives when leaders relinquish control, ensuring freedom remains with the people.
And that’s what GOP wants because it’s been taken over by confederate traitors
It must be nice, to have Washington on your side.
says here teeth were made of wool
Borders and citizenship were extremely important to Washington. He also did not believe that the younger generation should be left with the debts of the older generation
The legacy of the man who “cannot tell a lie” will be ended by a man who cannot tell the truth. That’s pretty sad.
I have no doubt in my mind that the Founding Fathers would be liberal Democrats today. People love pointing to them as conservative icons for whatever reason
Let’s be honest: that vision ended a while back.
Whelp, that explains the downfall we’ve all had.
George Washington, the President who violated his oath of office by using the power of the Presidency to pressure government workers to track down his wife’s favorite runaway slave?
Cmon America, let’s not fuck this one up, eh?
Reelecting Trump would totally undermine what Washington hoped for in a president and the country. It’s like turning back the clock on democracy itself.
I dislike Trump as much as the next guy but this is a weak sauce take. Grover Cleveland came back for another term. Not saying it’s right but this precedent has already been broken. Btw, Washington got involved in politics after he left, his reputation is preserved because he didn’t live long enough to become the villain. Teddy Roosevelt also came back, and it did seriously harm his reputation after running again and handing Wilson the presidency.
I’ll be honest, I’m getting beyond sick of these types of posts. I hate Trump as much as the next person on Reddit but these posts really do get mentally exhausting. We all know this. This isn’t new.
Are we forgetting his first term? Washington is already very upset I assure you.
If Trump/Vance get elected, Trump will be out asap and we’d be looking at a Vance/Johnson presidency.
It’s difficult to even imagine what that would look like as 6 months ago Vance’s positions were opposite what he claims they are now.
– Removing women’s right to vote
– Revoking any LGBTQ rights and branding them criminals
– End of Interracial marriage
– Federal Abortion Ban
– Religion taught in schools
Basically we are looking to be subjugated under Christian Sharia in six months or so.
The wet dream of Putin, Xi, Iran, North Korea and so many other dictators.
Maga doesnt care. They want it to be a dictorial state. Similar to russia, NK, and other countries. They also dont care about trump. Theyre using him as a pawn. Once he is in power and theyve done exactly what they threatened to do, they can oust trump, get rid of him, or whatever, and they still retain control.
That is their ultimate goal. Trump may be a asshole, scumbag, criminal etc, but its not him calling the shots. It never has been.
The USA as we knew it ended with the immunity decision by the Supreme Court. Fascism is here, it just hasn’t fully blossomed yet.
Congress needs to override the immunity decision with a clarifying law, and the President needs to sign it. This can only happen if both Congress and the Executive branch are blue.
Vote like your country depends on it. It does.
The founding fathers were so naive. They never envisioned such a depraved, stupid man and felon would ever run for president.
Methinks George Washington’s vision ended when he doth died.
no shit
“History has its eyes on you.”
I don’t think it was just George Washington. There were other people involved in the foundation of the United States
Yep
Tom Nichols is my spirit animal.
There is literally no justifiable reason to vote for a convicted criminal, traitor, and rapist for President. No matter what ANYONE says, there is no good reason. We’d be better off electing a bag of hammers.
Suddenly this sub cares about what Washington wanted??
Unfortunately, this will not be the end of someone like Trump. There will younger slicker version of him in the near future if we don’t actually have some types of safeguards in place.
This quote sums it up.
“Today, America stands at such a moment. A vengeful and emotionally unstable former president—a convicted felon, an insurrectionist, an admirer of foreign dictators, a racist and a misogynist—desires to return to office as an autocrat. Trump has left no doubt about his intentions; he practically shouts them every chance he gets. His deepest motives are to salve his ego, punish his enemies, and place himself above the law. Should he regain the Oval Office, he may well bring with him the experience and the means to complete the authoritarian project that he began in his first term.”
The fact that he was President in 2016 already marked the end. All we have to look forward to is him and worse versions of him and his cult.
“Stand with anyone that is right; stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong.” –
Abraham Lincoln
I wonder if Nichols acknowledges that it was Conservatives like him that carved this path and shaped this country into a place where Trump took over the movement. Nichols story for being a conservative is because he thought Democrats were mean for booing a FARC terrorist at a lecture in the 1980s. And then told me, a Soviet refugee whose great grandparents lived through Holodmor, that I just don’t understand communism enough when I said that was stupid because I think it makes perfect sense to boo a terrorist even if he calls himself an anti communist guerrilla.
It would also mark the end for Ukraine. And Taiwan. Other parts of Europe depending on how much Republicans offer military aid to other fellow dictators. It could destabilize other regions, and currency.
You got that right.
All sane people in this country recognize that very fact.
George Washington, founding member of the USA, excellent General, knew when to step down from power for the betterment of the nation. All good things, but we are so far removed from his era, I honestly don’t care what his vision was. Would there be some overlap, sure, but we as a country need to determine what’s important in leadership and our future based on our own values not his, he’s long gone and can no longer help us. DT represents some of the worst characteristics of a person, corruption, rejecting reality for lies, taking joy in stepping on others to push yourself up, etc. The rejection of DT, the fraud, has to come from the here and now. Then after we need to begin to look at visions for the US that take into consideration modern events and more learned history
George Washington..?
You mean that guy who, with his extremist co-conspirators, led a violent revolution to overthrow the established government control over his home country’s colonies?
Wasn’t taking America for himself, his wealthy landowner aristocrat friends, and any other idiot farmers with pitchforks who joined his call to ‘fight’ his vision for the presidency?
Feels familiar.
History repeating itself.
Biden put country before himself as well.
[Washington’s actual vision](https://youtu.be/JYqfVE-fykk?si=hHD3CWPZdnLEPyDB)
[Washington’s actual vision 2](https://youtu.be/VJ62EfUKI3w?si=iiWiqpQZ1i63g1N3)
Grover Cleveland would like a word with whomever wrote this headline.
Fuck Washington’s vision for the Presidency. Dude was a slaver. His values are not our values.
But, but…”I’m voting for the Founding Fathers!” says my MIL.
I mean he’s old enough to *be* one of the founding fathers, but his vision is whack for America, ma.
It’s a bit inevitable given how reporting has Harris underperforming with minorities and young voters