Thanks for the late fact check, NBC. That was one of the most blatant lies of the debate.
HellishChildren on
On that, Vance talked about Trump creating more transparency in drug prices…
Trump signed an executive order after his deal with the pharmaceutical companies fell through When they were about to sign, he abruptly announced that senior citizens would $100 drug discount cards from the companies as part of that deal. The pharmaceutical companies said “we can’t do that, no deal.”
Trump then promised $200 senior drug discount cards. That never happened.
ResidentKelpien on
Vance blatantly lied. He repeatedly and blatantly lied.
Edit: Also, he seems to be blatantly ignorant of the actual authority and duties of the VP role that he is vying for.
AlfredRWallace on
Walz should have done a better job calling bullshit
Unitaco90 on
I really wish Walz had pushed back harder here. He led with it when he talked about the role McCain played in keeping the ACA alive, but he should have just gone back again and again to what Trump ACTUALLY did. Instead, Vance got away with pitching Trump as some sort of healthcare savior.
ugh_this_sucks__ on
It’s going to make a *great* attack ad when spliced with Trump bragging about killing it.
Bloopyhead on
I think walz did a good job at dispelling the gaslighting. What Walz said is easily rememberable and easy to look up.
Hopefully people will think twice.
It’s not true that Vance and Trump will make ACA better. I hope they realize that.
They took away RvW they will certainly gut the ACA. It’s what they tried to do last time on day 1. Would have worked if not for McCain. A hero Republican if there ever was one.
I think McCain voted his conscience because he was dying. He had nothing to lose.
royhenderson771 on
Vance was asked policy questions and folded like cheap paper. In fact he didn’t answer a single question
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StormOk7544 on
Yeah, beneath the more composed veneer that he was able to put on, there were still enormous lies like this. I don’t know if normies will realize that though. I also think the whole “why doesn’t Harris implement all of her policy now?” line is dumb as hell and I have no idea why anyone finds it compelling. By that logic, no president could ever run for a second term because he should’ve done everything in his first term. Just completely stupid to frame things that way.
dani__rojas on
As a type 1 diabetic, John McCain saved the ACA and saved my life
Monkey-bone-zone on
That was guffaw-inducing horseshit. Trump the Ocare savior? Fuck you, JD. Revolting.
Red_Vines49 on
Notice the confession here —
Trump “salvaged” Obamacare….He’s not owning they tried to kill it. He’s trying to say they saved it and that’s a good thing.
Notice the pivot. Republicans know healthcare is a their cyanide pill the way the border is for Dems.
Like that scene in the Sorcerer’s Stone where Voldemort can’t touch Harry without burning. They can’t kill it, or they’d never get elected again.
So NOW the pivot is “We’re improving it”
elf124 on
Vance is liar
Spirited_Alarm_5102 on
Vance is dr«ight in a peculiar way!
JWTS6 on
The audacity of this prick to try to gaslight people into thinking Trump implemented/expanded Obamacare
rerhc on
The best thing John McCain ever did was be the deciding vote to keep it.
sgreenm22 on
Guy is a bold face lier
CGordini on
Such a simple fact check as a roaring flaming lie, but our media is afraid to print “VANCE LIES ABOUT TRUMP’S HEALTH CARE PLAN”
> "And I think you can make a really good argument that it salvaged Obamacare, which was doing disastrously until Donald Trump came along. I think this is an important point about President Trump."When Obamacare was crushing under the weight of its own regulatory burden and health care costs, Donald Trump could have destroyed the program," Vance added.
> After six years of GOP calls to repeal the law, Trump promised during his 2016 campaign that he would kill the law "very, very quickly.
Thanks to no fact checking (or almost no fact checking) it was indeed just a lie-athon on Vance’s part and Walz had to play catchup. Sounds like he did a decent job after a rough start, but unfortunately Democrats have to super-perform while Republicans just have to lie with a straight enough face and with as even a tone as possible for the average “undecided”. Doubt this moved the needle much either way.
mok000 on
So, if he salvaged it, why does he want to destroy it now?
Hefty_Tangelo1084 on
Liars lie
shep2105 on
This guy is such a blatant liar, but he wraps it up pretty, which is different from trump. The low intellect cult followers will think Vance is awesome and actually say to themselves, “Yeah! That’s right! I forgot about how trump tried to salvage Obamacare and make it better and the Dems fucked him over”
lucidzealot on
This is what I find so fucking infuriating. This wasn’t that long ago. I was there. The only reason ACA survived is because of John fucking McCain. I know because I saw Mitch McConnell’s fucking turtle ass disappointed face when McCain voted no. Don’t fucking tell me Trump saved the ACA. Who the fuck are you to tell me what I fucking saw and lived through? Fucking history changers fuck you
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Thanks for the late fact check, NBC. That was one of the most blatant lies of the debate.
On that, Vance talked about Trump creating more transparency in drug prices…
Trump signed an executive order after his deal with the pharmaceutical companies fell through When they were about to sign, he abruptly announced that senior citizens would $100 drug discount cards from the companies as part of that deal. The pharmaceutical companies said “we can’t do that, no deal.”
Trump then promised $200 senior drug discount cards. That never happened.
Vance blatantly lied. He repeatedly and blatantly lied.
Edit: Also, he seems to be blatantly ignorant of the actual authority and duties of the VP role that he is vying for.
Walz should have done a better job calling bullshit
I really wish Walz had pushed back harder here. He led with it when he talked about the role McCain played in keeping the ACA alive, but he should have just gone back again and again to what Trump ACTUALLY did. Instead, Vance got away with pitching Trump as some sort of healthcare savior.
It’s going to make a *great* attack ad when spliced with Trump bragging about killing it.
I think walz did a good job at dispelling the gaslighting. What Walz said is easily rememberable and easy to look up.
Hopefully people will think twice.
It’s not true that Vance and Trump will make ACA better. I hope they realize that.
They took away RvW they will certainly gut the ACA. It’s what they tried to do last time on day 1. Would have worked if not for McCain. A hero Republican if there ever was one.
I think McCain voted his conscience because he was dying. He had nothing to lose.
Vance was asked policy questions and folded like cheap paper. In fact he didn’t answer a single question
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Yeah, beneath the more composed veneer that he was able to put on, there were still enormous lies like this. I don’t know if normies will realize that though. I also think the whole “why doesn’t Harris implement all of her policy now?” line is dumb as hell and I have no idea why anyone finds it compelling. By that logic, no president could ever run for a second term because he should’ve done everything in his first term. Just completely stupid to frame things that way.
As a type 1 diabetic, John McCain saved the ACA and saved my life
That was guffaw-inducing horseshit. Trump the Ocare savior? Fuck you, JD. Revolting.
Notice the confession here —
Trump “salvaged” Obamacare….He’s not owning they tried to kill it. He’s trying to say they saved it and that’s a good thing.
Notice the pivot. Republicans know healthcare is a their cyanide pill the way the border is for Dems.
Like that scene in the Sorcerer’s Stone where Voldemort can’t touch Harry without burning. They can’t kill it, or they’d never get elected again.
So NOW the pivot is “We’re improving it”
Vance is liar
Vance is dr«ight in a peculiar way!
The audacity of this prick to try to gaslight people into thinking Trump implemented/expanded Obamacare
The best thing John McCain ever did was be the deciding vote to keep it.
Guy is a bold face lier
Such a simple fact check as a roaring flaming lie, but our media is afraid to print “VANCE LIES ABOUT TRUMP’S HEALTH CARE PLAN”
Dude is a used car salesman
Bigly liar
One of the biggest whoppers of the night
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/jd-vance/vance-falsely-says-trump-salvaged-obamacare-program-tried-repeal-rcna173568) reduced by 70%. (I’m a bot)
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> Republican vice presidential candidate JD Vance claimed Tuesday night – in contradiction of history – that his running mate, former President Donald Trump, "Salvaged Obamacare," the health insurance program that Trump tried to kill.
> "And I think you can make a really good argument that it salvaged Obamacare, which was doing disastrously until Donald Trump came along. I think this is an important point about President Trump."When Obamacare was crushing under the weight of its own regulatory burden and health care costs, Donald Trump could have destroyed the program," Vance added.
> After six years of GOP calls to repeal the law, Trump promised during his 2016 campaign that he would kill the law "very, very quickly.
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Thanks, McCain.
Thanks to no fact checking (or almost no fact checking) it was indeed just a lie-athon on Vance’s part and Walz had to play catchup. Sounds like he did a decent job after a rough start, but unfortunately Democrats have to super-perform while Republicans just have to lie with a straight enough face and with as even a tone as possible for the average “undecided”. Doubt this moved the needle much either way.
So, if he salvaged it, why does he want to destroy it now?
Liars lie
This guy is such a blatant liar, but he wraps it up pretty, which is different from trump. The low intellect cult followers will think Vance is awesome and actually say to themselves, “Yeah! That’s right! I forgot about how trump tried to salvage Obamacare and make it better and the Dems fucked him over”
This is what I find so fucking infuriating. This wasn’t that long ago. I was there. The only reason ACA survived is because of John fucking McCain. I know because I saw Mitch McConnell’s fucking turtle ass disappointed face when McCain voted no. Don’t fucking tell me Trump saved the ACA. Who the fuck are you to tell me what I fucking saw and lived through? Fucking history changers fuck you