the AIPAC handlers really have a problem with Irish people since they don’t bend over backwards to support the chosen people™
everyone else knows what group is responsible of majority of the crime.
magic_cat4 on
**JD Vance** is an **asshole!**
JoLeTrembleur on
Register and vote if you’re an American.
Overall-Bench5677 on
I sure there was some mafias or mobs that were set up in those immigrant communities, no?
BariraLP on
yes insult potential voters, good strategy you incompetent GOP fool
Neuroprancers on
>The clip, which has been circulating on X, showed Vance speaking in a Skype interview. He discussed early waves of immigration to the United States, pointing out the “rise in crime” he felt ensued as a result.
>”You had this massive wave of Italian, Irish and German immigration,” Vance said. “That had its problems, its consequences.
>”You had higher crime rates, you had these ethnic enclaves, you had inter-ethnic conflict in the country where you really hadn’t had that before.”
I don’t see anything egregious. We make movies about Italian and Irish mobs. Poor people stuffed together with poor job prospects results in the relying on illegal ways to make do. Plus racist protestants and the lot of persecution.
Shieldheart- on
Anti-Irish speech?
What is this, the 1900’s?
SexyThrowAwayFunTime on
Is this 1864? Jesus, what an asshole.
External-Chemical-71 on
Obviously feels they can win without Irish / Italian / German American votes. Good luck with that. 😂
What’s next JD, Kick the Jews?
cardboardunderwear on
That article is a dumpster fire of broken and irrelevant links. That normal for Irishstar?
LizzyGreene1933 on
Nationwide, about 9.5% of Americans report being of Irish descent, making it the third-most prominent ancestry in the U.S., according to estimates by the American Community Survey.
NoImprovement9982 on
VOTE!!! 🍀🍀🍀 🇮🇪
GolotasDisciple on
Meh… the title of this post is a bit misleading.
Is it anti-Irish or anti-immigrant?
>“You had this massive wave of Italian, Irish, and German immigration,” Vance said. “That had its problems, its consequences. You had higher crime rates, you had these ethnic enclaves, you had inter-ethnic conflict in the country where you really hadn’t had that before.”
I mean, he’s not worth anyone’s time in Europe, and I doubt any European cares about what he says… but I don’t see any explicitly offensive anti-Irish comments.
The article and post are kind of disappointing.
I was hoping for some xenophobic references or childish name-calling like ‘Mick’ or ‘Paddy’… It’s a shame, as US politics is usually quite the entertaining circus.
I can’t think of a more hair-brained thing to say at an election, not only did these groups build modern America, but you’ve also insulted the ancestors of millions of voters.
bogdan801 on
Lol what?
He hates Irish people? Whyy?
I mean I know he’s a moron and he hates us Ukrainians and licks putin’s ass but why would anyone hate on Irish people? I don’t get it
Bronek0990 on
Like the good ol’ days of apartheid!
Douglesfield_ on
>”You had higher crime rates, you had these ethnic enclaves, you had inter-ethnic conflict in the country where you really hadn’t had that before.”
I’m sorry but how many Irish-Americans would wholeheartedly agree with this statement if it was directed at another group like Mexicans or Haitians without a lick of irony?
Friz617 on
Appealing to 19th century voters is certainly an interesting strategy
Robin_Gr on
So what is his argument? We had problems with the last immigrant waves but it just took time and attitudes to change and everything worked out? Isn’t he conservative?
MaisJeNePeuxPas on
His base remains white Protestants with little to no education. This is perfectly on brand for him.
prudence2001 on
What a racist fuckwad. His own ancestors are Irish and Scottish.
No_nukes_at_all on
Are they running out of minorities to bully now ?
OtherManner7569 on
All Americans are immigrants, other than the native ones. Every single American who is not a native American is from elsewhere in the world, be it Britain, Ireland, mainland Europe, Africa, Asia, or the Middle East.
The only American who has any right to criticise the destructive effects of imagination are those native Americans colonised into oblivion by white Americans, something so many Americans are in denial about.
As far as I’m aware Irish immigration has been overwhelmingly positive to the United States, and has had a significant cultural impact on the US. The Irish are some of the loveliest people you will ever meet and as far as I’m aware have never had any destructive affect on anywhere they have ever settled. Just shows what nut jobs the gop has.
KairraAlpha on
So when do we start seeing the ‘No blacks, Irish or dogs’ signs again?
lamp_man87 on
As an Irish person, while it is strange to potentially alienate voter bases like this, he’s not wrong to say massive immigration causes short term problems.
Oh sorry he’s republican we’re supposed to tear apart everything he says.
castion5862 on
The Irish have always been emigrants and hard working. Just look at all the Irish names across the US political class. They hold positions of power everywhere. Todays Irish youth travel the world as some of the best educated people working hard wherever their adventure takes them. Stand up and be proud Irish people carry yourselves with pride into the world.
BleuRaider on
American conservatives were racists, misogynists and xenophobes then and they’re racist, misogynists and xenophobes now. They’re falling all over themselves to justify their bigotry be used even to their consciences it has gotten out of hand.
Pirlomaster on
Bro is so deep in the racism bag he had to bring back Gangs of New York era racism
50Prestige on
Why focus only on the Irish when he blamed Italians and Germans as well?
digiorno on
>“You had this massive wave of Italian, Irish and German immigration,” Vance said. “That had its problems, its consequences.
JD Vance can go fuck a couch.
AdventueDoggo on
I hate Vance as much as a next guy, but this article is ridiculous. What he said is pretty mild and moreover, it is factually correct.
In the 19th century Irish and other immigrants had higher rate of violent crimes than regular Americans. Legitimate sociologists and historians wrote about this topic and their conclusion was that this was caused mainly by higher poverty rate among immigrants. This gap disappeared within few decades.
James F. Short Jr. – Poverty, Ethnicity, And Violent Crime
Eric H. Monkkonen – Murder in New York City
Ted Robert Gurr – Violence in America, vol. 1, The History of Crime
Howard Bodenhorn, Carolyn M. Moehling and Anne Piehl – Immigration: America’s Nineteenth-Century “Law and Order Problem?”
Chester_roaster on
As an Irish person I am shocked!
Nah I don’t give a damn, we probably aren’t sending our best but they’re his problem now.
Mr_Kurns101 on
Fuck me do I hope the Republicans get shit canned and the orange turd finally gets flushed
Numantinas on
I bet he regrets lying about being catholic now
Thurallor on
It’s telling that the Irish are the only ones griping about this comment, even though it applied equally to other European immigrants of the era. Also it was not “offensive” or “anti-Irish”.
They got the headline published though, so I guess “mission accomplished”. Most people won’t read the article, and it will stoke further Trump derangement/hysteria in Europe. Rinse and repeat.
Algofeline on
If he checks his own immediate family records he’d figure out that he’s of direct irish- scot descent and realise he’s part of the problem …
Silver_Switch_3109 on
Is he a moron? A lot of Americans like to claim they are Irish.
creatively_annoying on
“you had inter-ethnic conflict in the country where you really hadn’t had that before.”
The real native Americans would like a word.
Orlok_Tsubodai on
Hey if the GQP wants to find out at the ballot box how small a minority their apparent target audience of exclusively white, straight, male, racist, homophobic, woman-hating, protestant, Anglo-Saxons has become in the USA, keep it up!
kamomil on
This clip is from 2021 and who is The Irish Star?
Also, does he have Orangeman roots? “muh heritage” right?
xx_TCren on
What he says about early waves of non-anglo immigration to the US is true, but only because integration was gatekept by the anglo population already present in the country at the time they arrived. Of course they were pushed into crime at a time when anti-catholic discrimination was preventing them from finding honest work. There was no social safety net back then for them to fall back on. The connection he tries to make with modern immigrants from culturally disparate backgrounds is moronic, as they have the opportunities to find work and make a living for themselves and their family, but are pushed into or drawn to crime for totally different reasons.
stanflwrhuss on
I am left leaning as fuck and don’t care about American politics. I am not a fan of Trump or this new lad. But, what is offensive here? His point is wrong of course, but I can see what he’s trying to say. Again, he’s incorrect, but he’s not being offensive cmon
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the AIPAC handlers really have a problem with Irish people since they don’t bend over backwards to support the chosen people™
everyone else knows what group is responsible of majority of the crime.
**JD Vance** is an **asshole!**
Register and vote if you’re an American.
I sure there was some mafias or mobs that were set up in those immigrant communities, no?
yes insult potential voters, good strategy you incompetent GOP fool
>The clip, which has been circulating on X, showed Vance speaking in a Skype interview. He discussed early waves of immigration to the United States, pointing out the “rise in crime” he felt ensued as a result.
>”You had this massive wave of Italian, Irish and German immigration,” Vance said. “That had its problems, its consequences.
>”You had higher crime rates, you had these ethnic enclaves, you had inter-ethnic conflict in the country where you really hadn’t had that before.”
I don’t see anything egregious. We make movies about Italian and Irish mobs. Poor people stuffed together with poor job prospects results in the relying on illegal ways to make do. Plus racist protestants and the lot of persecution.
Anti-Irish speech?
What is this, the 1900’s?
Is this 1864? Jesus, what an asshole.
Obviously feels they can win without Irish / Italian / German American votes. Good luck with that. 😂
What’s next JD, Kick the Jews?
That article is a dumpster fire of broken and irrelevant links. That normal for Irishstar?
Nationwide, about 9.5% of Americans report being of Irish descent, making it the third-most prominent ancestry in the U.S., according to estimates by the American Community Survey.
VOTE!!! 🍀🍀🍀 🇮🇪
Meh… the title of this post is a bit misleading.
Is it anti-Irish or anti-immigrant?
>“You had this massive wave of Italian, Irish, and German immigration,” Vance said. “That had its problems, its consequences. You had higher crime rates, you had these ethnic enclaves, you had inter-ethnic conflict in the country where you really hadn’t had that before.”
I mean, he’s not worth anyone’s time in Europe, and I doubt any European cares about what he says… but I don’t see any explicitly offensive anti-Irish comments.
The article and post are kind of disappointing.
I was hoping for some xenophobic references or childish name-calling like ‘Mick’ or ‘Paddy’… It’s a shame, as US politics is usually quite the entertaining circus.
Also not really relevant for r/Europe
>”You had this [massive wave of Italian, Irish and German immigration](https://www.irishstar.com/culture/nostalgia/genealogist-who-found-real-annie-31819610),” Vance said. “That had its problems, its consequences.
>
I can’t think of a more hair-brained thing to say at an election, not only did these groups build modern America, but you’ve also insulted the ancestors of millions of voters.
Lol what?
He hates Irish people? Whyy?
I mean I know he’s a moron and he hates us Ukrainians and licks putin’s ass but why would anyone hate on Irish people? I don’t get it
Like the good ol’ days of apartheid!
>”You had higher crime rates, you had these ethnic enclaves, you had inter-ethnic conflict in the country where you really hadn’t had that before.”
I’m sorry but how many Irish-Americans would wholeheartedly agree with this statement if it was directed at another group like Mexicans or Haitians without a lick of irony?
Appealing to 19th century voters is certainly an interesting strategy
So what is his argument? We had problems with the last immigrant waves but it just took time and attitudes to change and everything worked out? Isn’t he conservative?
His base remains white Protestants with little to no education. This is perfectly on brand for him.
What a racist fuckwad. His own ancestors are Irish and Scottish.
Are they running out of minorities to bully now ?
All Americans are immigrants, other than the native ones. Every single American who is not a native American is from elsewhere in the world, be it Britain, Ireland, mainland Europe, Africa, Asia, or the Middle East.
The only American who has any right to criticise the destructive effects of imagination are those native Americans colonised into oblivion by white Americans, something so many Americans are in denial about.
As far as I’m aware Irish immigration has been overwhelmingly positive to the United States, and has had a significant cultural impact on the US. The Irish are some of the loveliest people you will ever meet and as far as I’m aware have never had any destructive affect on anywhere they have ever settled. Just shows what nut jobs the gop has.
So when do we start seeing the ‘No blacks, Irish or dogs’ signs again?
As an Irish person, while it is strange to potentially alienate voter bases like this, he’s not wrong to say massive immigration causes short term problems.
Oh sorry he’s republican we’re supposed to tear apart everything he says.
The Irish have always been emigrants and hard working. Just look at all the Irish names across the US political class. They hold positions of power everywhere. Todays Irish youth travel the world as some of the best educated people working hard wherever their adventure takes them. Stand up and be proud Irish people carry yourselves with pride into the world.
American conservatives were racists, misogynists and xenophobes then and they’re racist, misogynists and xenophobes now. They’re falling all over themselves to justify their bigotry be used even to their consciences it has gotten out of hand.
Bro is so deep in the racism bag he had to bring back Gangs of New York era racism
Why focus only on the Irish when he blamed Italians and Germans as well?
>“You had this massive wave of Italian, Irish and German immigration,” Vance said. “That had its problems, its consequences.
JD Vance can go fuck a couch.
I hate Vance as much as a next guy, but this article is ridiculous. What he said is pretty mild and moreover, it is factually correct.
In the 19th century Irish and other immigrants had higher rate of violent crimes than regular Americans. Legitimate sociologists and historians wrote about this topic and their conclusion was that this was caused mainly by higher poverty rate among immigrants. This gap disappeared within few decades.
James F. Short Jr. – Poverty, Ethnicity, And Violent Crime
Eric H. Monkkonen – Murder in New York City
Ted Robert Gurr – Violence in America, vol. 1, The History of Crime
Howard Bodenhorn, Carolyn M. Moehling and Anne Piehl – Immigration: America’s Nineteenth-Century “Law and Order Problem?”
As an Irish person I am shocked!
Nah I don’t give a damn, we probably aren’t sending our best but they’re his problem now.
Fuck me do I hope the Republicans get shit canned and the orange turd finally gets flushed
I bet he regrets lying about being catholic now
It’s telling that the Irish are the only ones griping about this comment, even though it applied equally to other European immigrants of the era. Also it was not “offensive” or “anti-Irish”.
They got the headline published though, so I guess “mission accomplished”. Most people won’t read the article, and it will stoke further Trump derangement/hysteria in Europe. Rinse and repeat.
If he checks his own immediate family records he’d figure out that he’s of direct irish- scot descent and realise he’s part of the problem …
Is he a moron? A lot of Americans like to claim they are Irish.
“you had inter-ethnic conflict in the country where you really hadn’t had that before.”
The real native Americans would like a word.
Hey if the GQP wants to find out at the ballot box how small a minority their apparent target audience of exclusively white, straight, male, racist, homophobic, woman-hating, protestant, Anglo-Saxons has become in the USA, keep it up!
This clip is from 2021 and who is The Irish Star?
Also, does he have Orangeman roots? “muh heritage” right?
What he says about early waves of non-anglo immigration to the US is true, but only because integration was gatekept by the anglo population already present in the country at the time they arrived. Of course they were pushed into crime at a time when anti-catholic discrimination was preventing them from finding honest work. There was no social safety net back then for them to fall back on. The connection he tries to make with modern immigrants from culturally disparate backgrounds is moronic, as they have the opportunities to find work and make a living for themselves and their family, but are pushed into or drawn to crime for totally different reasons.
I am left leaning as fuck and don’t care about American politics. I am not a fan of Trump or this new lad. But, what is offensive here? His point is wrong of course, but I can see what he’s trying to say. Again, he’s incorrect, but he’s not being offensive cmon