Putin is a coward. He knows if one flake of fallout lands on a NATO country we will instigate article 5 and glass Russia
DFGBagain1 on
He really neutered himself with the empty nuclear threats.
lurk779 on
Time for brown lines.
To honor the line of 💩, that he will leave behind on the final run to the bunker.
bone_burrito on
Article 5 aside, any nuclear fallout in Ukraine will most likely hurt Russia as well. It’s not even remotely a good option for them.
RobertEdwinHouse38 on
They’ve seen the tests, they’ve seen the intercepts, they’ve watched their weaponized “satellites” fail.
Both China and Russia have seen the US Missile Shield working along with its other intercept capabilities.
This is why no nukes from Putin and no Taiwan invasion from China.
So in response, they shit a BRICS. Then found out their collective bargaining can only dent the US hold on global trade by 18%. Leaving each of them with the same percentage reduction across their economies to inflict the damage.
Anyone else unclear as to why both of them are pouring full assets into US Elections, infrastructure infiltration, and Donald Trump?
Redsit111 on
While everyone else is saying fuck Putin I just want to give a shout out to Ukrainians. Fucking ironclad balls those people.
Kannigget on
Putin’s red lines are bullshit. Putin is weak and pathetic.
> A Russian academic with close ties to senior Russian diplomats agreed, calling the nuclear option “the least possible” of scenarios, “because it really would lead to dissatisfaction among Russia’s partners in the Global South and also because clearly, from a military point of view, it is not very effective.”
> “All this discussion of the nuclear threshold overexaggerates the threat of such a type of escalation and underestimates the possibility of alternative options,” the academic added. “Since the West has a global military infrastructure … a lot of vulnerable points can be found.”
That last part is pretty interesting. Sabotage operations are already underway against Western nations, so that isn’t really a new option for Russia. I wonder if that’d push them towards proxy-related retaliation to try and enforce *any* of their red lines that eventually get crossed.
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Menethea on
Unlikely doesn’t mean impossible, and these are nukes we are talking about. I remember this country going to war (as well as near war) several times for far more remote and theoretical contingencies – Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Libya, etc.
skepticalbureaucrat on
I’m a PhD in math and don’t even pretend to understand the ramifications of nuclear fallout. That takes a LOT of knowledge and education with a degree of uncertainty.
Nobody wins in a nuclear war.
takesthebiscuit on
For an updated list of all the ‘Red Lines’ issued by russia see here >
Does anyone have a way to bypass the paywall. Really interested in reading this
Leather-Map-8138 on
In the settlement, we agree you can keep both Moscow and Saint Pete, and you agree that Rostov-on-Don and Sevastopol are now and forever part of Ukraine.
StrivingToBeDecent on
Good. Slava Ukraini! 🇺🇦
YourMomsEx-Boyfriend on
Couldn’t happen to a better dictator.
Boatster_McBoat on
What percentage of his missile siloes are empty / rusting 1960s tech because oligarchs took money and didn’t perform required services? Does Putin even know?
whennaminggoeswrong on
At some point, all these red lines just add up and turn into a Red Square.
thedayafternext on
They’re now black lines because the Kremlin red pen has ran out of ink.
twizzjewink on
Because Putin knows he can’t push the button. I’m sure he knows that there are serious reliability questions regarding the Russian nuclear arsenal. Second, any launch would have serious retaliation responses that I don’t believe he wants to face.
It’s a catch-22 he’s given himself, he just didn’t calculate that people would fight back against his red line.
When you’re the president of Russia and suddenly realizes nukes have expiration date and your entire army has been stripping nuke parts and siphoning gas from them instead of maintaining them for the last 50 years.
FlamingPhoenix969 on
Why is nuclear unlikely? Why hasn’t Russia bombed the ever living fuck out of Ukraine?
antiquemule on
“Closing the British Embassy in Moscow” seems like a pretty feeble threat. A tit-for tat riposte would certainly do much more harm to Russia than the UK. Ridding the country of a nest of spies, for a start.
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Fuck Putin.
Putin is a coward. He knows if one flake of fallout lands on a NATO country we will instigate article 5 and glass Russia
He really neutered himself with the empty nuclear threats.
Time for brown lines.
To honor the line of 💩, that he will leave behind on the final run to the bunker.
Article 5 aside, any nuclear fallout in Ukraine will most likely hurt Russia as well. It’s not even remotely a good option for them.
They’ve seen the tests, they’ve seen the intercepts, they’ve watched their weaponized “satellites” fail.
Both China and Russia have seen the US Missile Shield working along with its other intercept capabilities.
This is why no nukes from Putin and no Taiwan invasion from China.
So in response, they shit a BRICS. Then found out their collective bargaining can only dent the US hold on global trade by 18%. Leaving each of them with the same percentage reduction across their economies to inflict the damage.
Anyone else unclear as to why both of them are pouring full assets into US Elections, infrastructure infiltration, and Donald Trump?
While everyone else is saying fuck Putin I just want to give a shout out to Ukrainians. Fucking ironclad balls those people.
Putin’s red lines are bullshit. Putin is weak and pathetic.
Non-paywall link: https://archive.ph/z73ZQ
> A Russian academic with close ties to senior Russian diplomats agreed, calling the nuclear option “the least possible” of scenarios, “because it really would lead to dissatisfaction among Russia’s partners in the Global South and also because clearly, from a military point of view, it is not very effective.”
> “All this discussion of the nuclear threshold overexaggerates the threat of such a type of escalation and underestimates the possibility of alternative options,” the academic added. “Since the West has a global military infrastructure … a lot of vulnerable points can be found.”
That last part is pretty interesting. Sabotage operations are already underway against Western nations, so that isn’t really a new option for Russia. I wonder if that’d push them towards proxy-related retaliation to try and enforce *any* of their red lines that eventually get crossed.
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Unlikely doesn’t mean impossible, and these are nukes we are talking about. I remember this country going to war (as well as near war) several times for far more remote and theoretical contingencies – Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Libya, etc.
I’m a PhD in math and don’t even pretend to understand the ramifications of nuclear fallout. That takes a LOT of knowledge and education with a degree of uncertainty.
Nobody wins in a nuclear war.
For an updated list of all the ‘Red Lines’ issued by russia see here >
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_lines_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War
There are ALOT
Paper tiger is paper ….. Got it
Does anyone have a way to bypass the paywall. Really interested in reading this
In the settlement, we agree you can keep both Moscow and Saint Pete, and you agree that Rostov-on-Don and Sevastopol are now and forever part of Ukraine.
Good. Slava Ukraini! 🇺🇦
Couldn’t happen to a better dictator.
What percentage of his missile siloes are empty / rusting 1960s tech because oligarchs took money and didn’t perform required services? Does Putin even know?
At some point, all these red lines just add up and turn into a Red Square.
They’re now black lines because the Kremlin red pen has ran out of ink.
Because Putin knows he can’t push the button. I’m sure he knows that there are serious reliability questions regarding the Russian nuclear arsenal. Second, any launch would have serious retaliation responses that I don’t believe he wants to face.
It’s a catch-22 he’s given himself, he just didn’t calculate that people would fight back against his red line.
Those damn red lines again 😫
By pass:
https://www.removepaywall.com/search?url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/09/22/putin-russia-red-lines-nuclear-threat-retaliation/?utm_source=reddit.com
When you’re the president of Russia and suddenly realizes nukes have expiration date and your entire army has been stripping nuke parts and siphoning gas from them instead of maintaining them for the last 50 years.
Why is nuclear unlikely? Why hasn’t Russia bombed the ever living fuck out of Ukraine?
“Closing the British Embassy in Moscow” seems like a pretty feeble threat. A tit-for tat riposte would certainly do much more harm to Russia than the UK. Ridding the country of a nest of spies, for a start.