Liz Cheney Suggests a New Political Party May Be Needed

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/21/us/politics/liz-cheney-republican-party.html

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  1. > “Whether it’s organizing a new party — look, it’s hard for me to see how the Republican Party, given what it has done, can make the argument convincingly or credibly that people ought to vote for Republican candidates until it really recognizes what it’s done,” Ms. Cheney said at the Cap Times Idea Fest in Madison, Wis.

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  2. “It’s gonna be impossible to convince enough people to cut taxes once we have to actually admit we elected a guy to do it and didn’t care that he sold nuclear secrets.”

  3. When Dick Cheney is voting for the Democrat you know the party you identified with has gone off the rails.

    Modern day Republican Party is an extremist, fascist party.

  4. account_for_yaoi on

    Yes, the republicans should split into two parties. Everyone is saying this. For hundreds of years, everyone has wanted to do it.

  5. Basselope_poptarts on

    I can only hope this is the beginning of Lindsay’s quote about the end of the party.
    America deserves better than whatever the current RNC is.

  6. Annnd new laws about dark money.

    Any new party will be equally as corrupted as the old ones with “Oh look, 1.2B from the Federalists! It’s not a bribe it’s a gift “

  7. Yeah, I do believe there’s a realignment going on among the right. Republicans for Harris is no joke and it’s the result of exactly what Lindsey Graham’s dumbass warned.

    They didn’t listen, they welcomed maga with open arms, and they lost their party to a cult.

    I really believe that we can stomp them out this election and if we do, I expect GOP civil war. You know trump’s going to run again if he loses and if he does, he’ll be their 2028 nominee.

  8. Evan as a liberal, I can still see the benefit in hearing alternatives and having my opinions fact checked. But the fact checkers have to be honest and fact based, well reasoned and rational. Today’s Republican party possesses none of these traits. Liz is right, a “sane” spinoff of the GOP is needed and it would be beneficial for everyone.

  9. I think the first step would be for ‘trad’ Republicans to identify themselves with a common label for what kind of Republican they are. It could be as simple as “trad Republican” or “Reagan Republican” or “Lincoln Republican.” Then state how this differs from the current Republican Party:
    1. Will not caucus nor vote with current Republican Party in Congress.
    2. Will not fundraise with current Republican Party candidates nor share money with them.
    3. Run 3 candidates in the Senate, 12 in the House, in seats where it can only cost current Republican Party candidates, ideally well-known and well-liked persons. Matthew Maconnahey in Texas might be ideal.

    It wouldn’t take long to show that a few trads in Congress could halt all MAGA plots and plans, block any MAGA judges or officials. The value of the MAGA brand would fade.

  10. Teechmath-notreading on

    I would love it if Cheney and Romney got together and formed a Conservative Party.

    Let them split the right wing vote. Democrats would win 60-70% of the seats.

  11. I don’t know why anyone thinks the GOP is going anywhere. They’re still firmly entrenched all over the country and have a literal cult following which will never abandon them. Unless there’s some incredible blowout this year, they’ll still control most state legislatures and likely will win the US Senate, even if Trump loses. They’ll continue to pass MAGA policies in Florida and Texas, plus other places, and they’ll obstruct any progress in Congress. Their power will still be quite large, and likely we’ll be facing Trump or his handpicked successor, probably his son, in 2028 again. In the meantime, the GOP will continue to take over local election boards, as in Georgia, to subvert our democracy.

    Right now, there’s no room for another party. Every election from here on is do or die. Dems will need to win every single time unless somehow the cult is broken, which seems very unlikely if not impossible. These moderate Republicans will have to stick with Dems if we want any chance of keeping democracy afloat.

  12. CaptBertorelli1 on

    Most democratic countries have multiple parties to choose from.
    Most democratic countries also have a coalition government.

    It forces the parties to work together instead of fighting and bitching at each other to get a majority.
    The US is in a constant deadlock with the two parties constantly blocking the others bills and proposals.

    So more is good!

  13. At least 2-3 more political parties are needed but it wont happen unless we make massive changes to the system.

  14. I think the key is to develop two new parties that would represent roughly equal parts of the electorate. A party between Republicans and Democrats and a party to the left of Democrats. This would require real, European style coalition building in congress and would be more representative of the electorate.

  15. Notgoodatfakenames2 on

    The problem with a third party is that the Democratic party is already conservative. They are just not as racesist and sexist as the Republicans.

  16. Different-Counter454 on

    Ugh I can’t stand this woman. While democrats were clapping for her and saying how brave she is, she was providing cover for that traitor scumbag Ginny Thomas. So who is Liz really working for?

  17. Holy shit yes! Fucking please make a conservative 3rd party to split votes and lose the next election in a fucking landslide.

  18. Oh yeah, will they still need our donations ro help run a functioning society and government?. Our political parties are literally set up like churches. They send you these doom and gloom emails begging for money. They’re rich, their friends and lobbyists are rich. And guess what we can’t even right these political donations off.

    Growing up I watched my grandmother give all of her money to people like Swaggert and the Bakers. We are being fooled by politcial televangelists.

  19. She’s right. Political parties have come and gone during the history of our republic, just none of that has occurred in our lifetimes, which is why we have stockholm syndrome to our current political parties that stopped putting us first…especially since SCOTUS gave them the gift of Citizens United. Now, no matter who wins, you’re going to lose. You hopefully try to vote by who you lose the least with.

  20. This is the direction I expect everything to go once Harris and Walz get into the White House. The GOP as it is is just too infested with maga garbo.

  21. We 100% need ranked choice voting so we can legitimately have more than the Racist/Sexist/Fascist party vs the Fiscally conservative party. I’m definitely pro-Harris, but let’s not pretend her presidency will be the Eco/Social Justice progressive party that a lot of Americans would like, and it would definitely help frame how incredibly NOMAL (even conservative) the Dems are, versus what the GOP have been spewing…well, since Nixon really.

  22. Yes, but it won’t happen unless an extremely significant portion of currently elected republicans all do it together, because forming a new party ensures a conservative party will not control either legislative house nor the presidency again.

  23. She’s probably right. I’m a republican voting straight ticket democrat for the first time in my life. The current republican party is off its fucking nut full of crazies, hillbillies, religious fanatics, and straight-up weirdos. They left me behind; I can’t keep up with all that shit.

  24. Historical_Bend_2629 on

    Yay maybe not a nepotistic Ivy League, misogynist racist bunch of conservatives. Start the new party and beware your privilege, and if you are a real, decent person, I will listen.

  25. And there it is. I’ve been saying the GOP will crack in half. They’ve bet on this felonious, rapist for the past decade and it will end the GOP as we know it.