>The blueprint says that each domestic undergraduate costs universities in England between £12,000 and £13,000 a year to teach and support.
So on average, each domestic student COSTS the university £3,250 to £4,250. That’s an insane amount of shortfall, like universities lose a third of the money they use to fund domestic undergraduate students.
XenorVernix on
I can’t help thinking that the Tories have avoided touching this sensitive issue so that they can dump it on Labour and let them be the ones raising tuition fees if that’s what ultimately happens.
Cottonshopeburnfoot on
Less foreigners but we’ll fuck over young people extra bad is the most U.K. c2024 proposal imaginable
Veritanium on
Unless unis are restricting places for British students to maximise revenue by handing them to foreign students, I don’t think this is the real problem.
I think most people’s gripes with the foreign student numbers would be settled if it was difficult or outright impossible to parley a student visa into ILR or citizenship. Solve the problem of people paying to attend “courses” that only exist on paper at “universities” that are a flat above a chip shop and using that to gain entry to the UK indefinitely.
Interesting-Being579 on
Genuinely don’t understand why people are so hostile to international students.
Folk come here to spend tens of thousands of pounds on a shite service, and in so doing subsidise UK students.
Why is this bad for the UK?
lodge28 on
Universities are there for the life experience imo, not the educational part. They feel obsolete given the barriers employers put up these days in terms of impossible entry requirements with pittance pay.
Necessary-Product361 on
It is a lose lose! British students pay more and international students don’t get a decent education!
Apart_Supermarket441 on
There are *so* many problems with universities.
One of them is that the teaching model remains the same as the 1960s, despite the huge increase in people going to universities.
Most full-time lecturers barely teach and instead are expected to ‘research’. Whilst undoubtedly there is a lot of vital research conducted at universities, particularly in the sciences, there are *a lot* of cases where, actually, you’re just paying someone £60K to teach 4 hours a week and occasionally write an article in an obscure newspaper no one reads.
Compare this to secondary school teachers who have smaller salaries but will teach 24 hours a week and have far greater demands on them.
I’m an English teacher in a secondary school; one of my best friends is an English Literature lecturer and the difference in workload is like night and day. He seems to barely ever even be there. His view is that the whole thing is a bit of gravy train.
Worldly_Table_5092 on
Someone get the economy students in here to work this all out
R042 on
UK universities offer to do one shit thing if they’re allowed to do another shit thing, yep sounds about right
TheFermentomancer on
Wouldn’t be surprised. I bet Nottingham Trent University would love to do this, especially since they only hire staff on a zero hours basis.
Many-War5685 on
Let’s look at how our neighbours manage:
* **Germany:** No tuition fees at public universities. A small contribution to administrative costs has to be paid (no more than **€300/semester**)
* **Spain:** Tuition fees are set by the government for public institutions Fees range from **€750 to €1,200** per academic year
* **Italy:** Just as with Spain, public institution tuition fees are set by the government Public undergraduate courses cost around **€850 to €1,000** per academic year
* **France:** Fees are completely waived for EU students at public institutions Students just have to pay a government-set charge, currently **€170/year.**
TheAlbinoAmigo on
The problem this year is that changes to bringing families over mean nearly all unis have suffered a huge loss of foreign students already. They’re the most lucrative students. Numerous unis have been holding layoffs or ‘voluntary redundancy’ calls as a result. They’re not funding external innovation at all this year, etc.
Sadly, the foreign students are already leaving – the unis can’t offer something they’ve already lost control of themselves.
Lazypole on
European universities manage at 1000 euros or less, wonder why our wonderful institutions need to get so much blood out of the stone.
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>The blueprint says that each domestic undergraduate costs universities in England between £12,000 and £13,000 a year to teach and support.
So on average, each domestic student COSTS the university £3,250 to £4,250. That’s an insane amount of shortfall, like universities lose a third of the money they use to fund domestic undergraduate students.
I can’t help thinking that the Tories have avoided touching this sensitive issue so that they can dump it on Labour and let them be the ones raising tuition fees if that’s what ultimately happens.
Less foreigners but we’ll fuck over young people extra bad is the most U.K. c2024 proposal imaginable
Unless unis are restricting places for British students to maximise revenue by handing them to foreign students, I don’t think this is the real problem.
I think most people’s gripes with the foreign student numbers would be settled if it was difficult or outright impossible to parley a student visa into ILR or citizenship. Solve the problem of people paying to attend “courses” that only exist on paper at “universities” that are a flat above a chip shop and using that to gain entry to the UK indefinitely.
Genuinely don’t understand why people are so hostile to international students.
Folk come here to spend tens of thousands of pounds on a shite service, and in so doing subsidise UK students.
Why is this bad for the UK?
Universities are there for the life experience imo, not the educational part. They feel obsolete given the barriers employers put up these days in terms of impossible entry requirements with pittance pay.
It is a lose lose! British students pay more and international students don’t get a decent education!
There are *so* many problems with universities.
One of them is that the teaching model remains the same as the 1960s, despite the huge increase in people going to universities.
Most full-time lecturers barely teach and instead are expected to ‘research’. Whilst undoubtedly there is a lot of vital research conducted at universities, particularly in the sciences, there are *a lot* of cases where, actually, you’re just paying someone £60K to teach 4 hours a week and occasionally write an article in an obscure newspaper no one reads.
Compare this to secondary school teachers who have smaller salaries but will teach 24 hours a week and have far greater demands on them.
I’m an English teacher in a secondary school; one of my best friends is an English Literature lecturer and the difference in workload is like night and day. He seems to barely ever even be there. His view is that the whole thing is a bit of gravy train.
Someone get the economy students in here to work this all out
UK universities offer to do one shit thing if they’re allowed to do another shit thing, yep sounds about right
Wouldn’t be surprised. I bet Nottingham Trent University would love to do this, especially since they only hire staff on a zero hours basis.
Let’s look at how our neighbours manage:
* **Germany:** No tuition fees at public universities. A small contribution to administrative costs has to be paid (no more than **€300/semester**)
* **Spain:** Tuition fees are set by the government for public institutions Fees range from **€750 to €1,200** per academic year
* **Italy:** Just as with Spain, public institution tuition fees are set by the government Public undergraduate courses cost around **€850 to €1,000** per academic year
* **France:** Fees are completely waived for EU students at public institutions Students just have to pay a government-set charge, currently **€170/year.**
The problem this year is that changes to bringing families over mean nearly all unis have suffered a huge loss of foreign students already. They’re the most lucrative students. Numerous unis have been holding layoffs or ‘voluntary redundancy’ calls as a result. They’re not funding external innovation at all this year, etc.
Sadly, the foreign students are already leaving – the unis can’t offer something they’ve already lost control of themselves.
European universities manage at 1000 euros or less, wonder why our wonderful institutions need to get so much blood out of the stone.