The most baffling aspect of current infrastructure policy has to be the slow walking of Luas expansion. The Cork Luas route was supposed to be published in 2022, that was delayed to 23, then early 24 and there’s still no sign of it.
Luas Finglas and Luas Lucan also delayed. Even the easy extensions, like Luas Poolbeg!
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michaelirishred on
This Luas will be ridiculously short as well. The Eastern terminus will be about a 10 to 15 minute easy cycle from the city centre.
I have no idea why it’s not being extended to Carrigaline. That will cover the part of the city and commuter belt that actually needs public transport to get in
IntentionFalse8822 on
It was in the original plan but then the decision making lads in Dublin discovered the proposed stop was actually Cork City and not Cork Street as they originally thought so they axed it straight away.
Anustart2023-01 on
I thought we all knew that a Light Rail system in Cork was just a work of speculative science fiction were Ireland is run by forward looking, non self-serving, competent politicians? Same with the Dublin Metro.
adjavang on
Honestly, at this point we should just aim to constantly have a Luas line under construction in order to build expertise and maintain skills. Once we’ve got Cork covered with a sprawling Luas line, we can start building a network around Limerick. Then do Galway. Just keep fecking building the things.
howsitgoingboy on
This is exactly where you deploy the rainy day money to like, and housing projects, they’re fucking mad in Leinster house.
Willing-Departure115 on
We are just crap at medium to long time horizon investments. Someone can correct me if any of this is wrong, but from memory:
1. **MetroLink (formerly Metro North)**
– First proposed in **2001** under the Transport 21 plan.
– Currently **23 years** in planning.
2. **Cork Light Rail**
– First proposed in **2001** as part of the Cork Area Strategic Plan.
– Currently **23 years** in planning.
3. **DART Expansion Program**
– DART Underground first proposed in **2005**.
– Currently **19 years** in planning.
– Project deferred in **2015**, revived under Project Ireland 2040 in **2018**.
4. **LUAS Extensions**
– **LUAS Finglas Extension**
– Proposed as early as **2009**.
– Currently **15 years** in planning.
– In **2020**, a Preferred Route was published.
– **LUAS Lucan Line**
– Proposed under Transport 21 in **2005**.
– Currently **19 years** in planning.
– pretty much vapourware.
– **LUAS Bray Extension**
– Extension of the Green Line to Bray proposed in **2005**.
– Currently **19 years** in planning.
– pretty much vapourware.
5. **Western Rail Corridor (Further Phases)**
– Reopening proposed under Transport 21 in **2003**.
– Phase 1 reopened in **2010**.
– Subsequent phases delayed; extensions face funding and demand assessments.
– Currently **21 years** in planning for full corridor restoration.
6. **BusConnects (Dublin and Cork)**
– BusConnects Dublin launched in **2017**.
– BusConnects Cork proposed in **2019**.
– Implementation ongoing in Dublin; planning stages continue in Cork.
7. **Navan Rail Line Extension**
– Proposed extension from Dublin to Navan first considered in **2005**.
– Currently **19 years** in planning.
– pretty much vapourware.
There are more (Galway’s Luas) that never actually got legs.
whooo_me on
Sigh…. No sign of light rail. No new rail routes in Cork County, the second most populous in the country. No direct rail services between Cork and Killarney, Limerick or Waterford. No direct motorway between Cork and Limerick. Airport run by Dublin Airport Authority and precious few routes out of it, saddled with a debt it was promised not to have…
SmallWolf117 on
For reference in case you are wondering just how bad Irelands infrastructure is.
I currently live in a European city with roughly the same population of Cork and it has 16 tram lines and 13 trolley bus lines
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The most baffling aspect of current infrastructure policy has to be the slow walking of Luas expansion. The Cork Luas route was supposed to be published in 2022, that was delayed to 23, then early 24 and there’s still no sign of it.
Luas Finglas and Luas Lucan also delayed. Even the easy extensions, like Luas Poolbeg!
This Luas will be ridiculously short as well. The Eastern terminus will be about a 10 to 15 minute easy cycle from the city centre.
I have no idea why it’s not being extended to Carrigaline. That will cover the part of the city and commuter belt that actually needs public transport to get in
It was in the original plan but then the decision making lads in Dublin discovered the proposed stop was actually Cork City and not Cork Street as they originally thought so they axed it straight away.
I thought we all knew that a Light Rail system in Cork was just a work of speculative science fiction were Ireland is run by forward looking, non self-serving, competent politicians? Same with the Dublin Metro.
Honestly, at this point we should just aim to constantly have a Luas line under construction in order to build expertise and maintain skills. Once we’ve got Cork covered with a sprawling Luas line, we can start building a network around Limerick. Then do Galway. Just keep fecking building the things.
This is exactly where you deploy the rainy day money to like, and housing projects, they’re fucking mad in Leinster house.
We are just crap at medium to long time horizon investments. Someone can correct me if any of this is wrong, but from memory:
1. **MetroLink (formerly Metro North)**
– First proposed in **2001** under the Transport 21 plan.
– Currently **23 years** in planning.
2. **Cork Light Rail**
– First proposed in **2001** as part of the Cork Area Strategic Plan.
– Currently **23 years** in planning.
3. **DART Expansion Program**
– DART Underground first proposed in **2005**.
– Currently **19 years** in planning.
– Project deferred in **2015**, revived under Project Ireland 2040 in **2018**.
4. **LUAS Extensions**
– **LUAS Finglas Extension**
– Proposed as early as **2009**.
– Currently **15 years** in planning.
– In **2020**, a Preferred Route was published.
– **LUAS Lucan Line**
– Proposed under Transport 21 in **2005**.
– Currently **19 years** in planning.
– pretty much vapourware.
– **LUAS Bray Extension**
– Extension of the Green Line to Bray proposed in **2005**.
– Currently **19 years** in planning.
– pretty much vapourware.
5. **Western Rail Corridor (Further Phases)**
– Reopening proposed under Transport 21 in **2003**.
– Phase 1 reopened in **2010**.
– Subsequent phases delayed; extensions face funding and demand assessments.
– Currently **21 years** in planning for full corridor restoration.
6. **BusConnects (Dublin and Cork)**
– BusConnects Dublin launched in **2017**.
– BusConnects Cork proposed in **2019**.
– Implementation ongoing in Dublin; planning stages continue in Cork.
7. **Navan Rail Line Extension**
– Proposed extension from Dublin to Navan first considered in **2005**.
– Currently **19 years** in planning.
– pretty much vapourware.
There are more (Galway’s Luas) that never actually got legs.
Sigh…. No sign of light rail. No new rail routes in Cork County, the second most populous in the country. No direct rail services between Cork and Killarney, Limerick or Waterford. No direct motorway between Cork and Limerick. Airport run by Dublin Airport Authority and precious few routes out of it, saddled with a debt it was promised not to have…
For reference in case you are wondering just how bad Irelands infrastructure is.
I currently live in a European city with roughly the same population of Cork and it has 16 tram lines and 13 trolley bus lines
Just going to leave this from 1902 here…..
https://m.facebook.com/watch/?v=840732814356389&vanity=irishtv
There will never be a Luas in Cork.
I wonder what odds paddy power would give you on a metro to Dublin airport before Cork gets it’s own Luas? Might be worth a punt.
Ya….because it’s never going to happen! It’s beyond me that people believe this will actually get built.
Why can’t this country do anything, it’s so fucking annoying. Insane potential but it’s pissed into the wind.