That was a good article. It also showed that Labour plans to directly address this:
>Work and Pensions Secretary Liz Kendall has guaranteed training, an apprenticeship or support to find work for all 18 to 21-year-olds. The government also wants to create a national careers service that would help connect people with jobs at a local level.
Serious-Mechanic-225 on
can confirm.
studied to be a graphic designer but didn’t get a job post graduation, worked various jobs customer service, supermarket, cafes etc.
job centre are trying to push me to be a carer or teaching assistant.
to be honest now that I am not planning to ever have kids or afford my own home outright I am just taking it a day at a time seeing what comes up but overall not getting myself invested anymore because I don’t see what it’s worth.
I get support from family and I provide support back. if I can’t find decent work that affords a lifestyle why bother when I can form a lifestyle that’s low cost outside of work?
Serious_Session7574 on
The “boy” problem. I listened to a podcast about it the other day. They had one in the early 20th century too. Disaffected young men and teens. That’s when the Boy Scouts got going, partly in response.
michaelgore12 on
The cost of living is increasing significantly. Salaries are not. The average salary amongst young people is about £24K per year. It is not enough especially in the South. Car insurance companies now use imaginary numbers to insure young people also. It is honestly all a mess. It seems every cooperation in the UK (Government included) is desperate for copious amounts of money. It is slowly going to destroy us all.
Wakingupisdeath on
Who blames them? They’ve been told they are worthless and useless since day 1… No wonder they don’t want to contribute to a society that condones it.
EliteCakeMan on
I’ve spent my life doing IT I have a great work history, degree from a top uni and variety of other things.
The job centre wants me to labour on a building site for min wage. With no contract for an agency, with no progression. Or I can be a care assistance for an agency with no progression and no career or contract. Or I can be a cleaner with no contract or career progression.
All for min wage.
They wanted me to be on site by 7.30am.
Get fucked. I’ll get up early to be the software engineer I am trained to be. Pay £20+ an hour and I’ll dig mud.
frogboxcrob on
Better create more women focused grants and opportunities while we make media specifically focused on motivating women and insulting men! That’ll fix this issue
Oh and don’t forget to also “pretend that men never face any hardship and deserve anything bad that happens to them” that’s also a top tip
Sad-Independence9753 on
More people waking up I guess. We gain nothing from wage slaving for 40 years. Average salary in the UK is about £35k. That’s about £28k after tax. Let’s say average rent is £1k/month. So after rents that’s £15k spending money.
People on benefits faking depression get their rents paid for and way more spending money than that. And ofc they don’t pay any tax either
SpoofExcel on
When wages are dogshit, career opportunities are being shredded because we have basically fuck all economy outside of “type in keyboard and add data for a financial or logistics service”, and education & employment leadership teams sees you as bottom of the totem pole for the check boxes they want to fill in, to look like they’re better than the res at hiring outside the norm, you quickly find a whole generation of demotivated individuals that cannot be fucked to help with the country.
Even the armed forces are at it. That used to be the go-to for the disenfranchised & unguided, and they can’t even get into that as easily anymore.
So yeah, what a fucking surprise that they’re sitting there refusing to do shit work for bad pay whilst we see an ever growing quality of life gap, net+ migration (legal and illegal) that pushes wages down, and 10+ years of abject shit governance in infrastructure and education.
prawntortilla on
I remember when I was applying for some jobs in admin and 1 job in a NHS research lab I looked at the employee list and it was like 95% women. I didnt get that job even though I thought I did good in the interview and I honestly wasn’t surprised. I doubt the applicants for a position like that are 95% women, I thought it was pretty weird.
TheBrassDancer on
I can scarcely blame anyone who is reticent about going to work. The jobs market in the UK is a mess: far too many low-wage jobs, many of which don’t even offer stable hours or any kind of work-life balance.
This is the kind of thing which contributes to poor mental health, as it has for me quite often in the past. Who wants to honestly sacrifice their wellbeing when, in addition to the above, they will likely encounter disrespect from bad bosses or horrible colleagues?
trueworldcapital on
Young lads should honestly move abroad, what do you have to lose
Dragon_Sluts on
To save you reading:
16% male 18-24 vs 13% female
Not *that* significant of a difference.
WarriorDerp on
I mean, every cv I’ve sent out, every job I’ve applied for has been turned down for the last 10 years so my question is, is it a young bloke problem or a scuffed job market problem?
There are incentives for every other race/gender/religion but anything for British born is shot down and called racist/sexist yada yada
RaymondBumcheese on
Tbh, the guy in the thumbnail looks like he’s having a great time
Remarkable-Ad155 on
Do they have to make the NEET picture look quite so cozy? 😅
Only_Tip9560 on
We are failing a large number of working clas boys and young men. We are allowing them to seek solutions in misogyny and racism. This is what happens when you systematically kill off heavy industry and manufacturing and pull investment from youth services and apprenticeships.
Sadly it is a crisis that few with any clout are willing to fight. Sticking up for boys and their needs tends to get you in trouble from those who think that these children should be punished for the sins of their forefathers for having the tenacity to be born male.
Saying that, the job centre has always been utterly useless. I signed on once when between jobs and they simply had no useful info for me. Just suggested minimum wage cleaning jobs for someone with multiple degrees.
B3TST3R on
Seeing lots of comments ‘I don’t want a labouring job like the jobcentre says, I’m skilled in X’, yes how dare they offer paying work when you don’t have a job or your own income and there’s jobs going in that industry, do fuck all instead and let me keep paying for your self-entitlement 🙄 And the comments about migrants, I have a higher opinion of them then those making the comments, as the migrants are looking for and keen to work!
Slight-Rent-883 on
Shocking, given how much encouragement they receive /s
nightsofthesunkissed on
The stock photo they used for this seems so piss takey
Totally_Not__An_AI on
Patriarchy and male/white privilege really coming through for us here =)
MissAntiRacist on
I think I was proto man of this phase. Utterly abandoned by wider society from a very young age and left to rot post secondary school ages 16 to 24 were a terrible time for me. I was abandoned entirely. It makes any claims of minority discrimination or systemic unfairness for women to be wholly unbelievable to me. Our society gives young men nothing to live for. There is no valor, no honour, no dignity and our women in general have exceptional attitude problems and have been entirely unable to change with modern times. Which is fine, they’re free to behave how they wish, but it means there’s nothing for most men to do but keep the lights on for others.
Aqedah on
As a man you have to be successful to get anywhere.
As a woman, you can be unsuccessful as long as you can marry well.
Sad-Independence9753 on
I also think social media plays a big role in this. When you see ‘influencers’ with no real skills or achievements earning more than you ever will, it can really put you off wanting to work. There are people on Twitch who get paid just to sleep and weird people watch and they run ads and make money from this. On platforms like OnlyFans, some people earn money simply because they’re attractive.
It feels as though, if you weren’t blessed at birth with superior genetics or some talent, then you will just be destined to a life of wageslavery. Having to work shit boring jobs where you barely make enough to survive, whilst the chosen ones get to experience life to the fullest…
Count me out.
GlutenFreeBreadSucks on
Men always outweigh women at the far ends of the scale on these things, they’ll have the most underachievers but also the most high achievers at the other end.
Main_Body_6623 on
Seems like the likely outcome when govt has been promoting feminism, women in STEM for past decade or so
Signal-Difference-13 on
My cousin. Super clever, started smoking weed very young. Achieved absolutely nothing with his life since school. Can’t hold down a job. Is entitled, immature and embarrassing.
Technical-Economy-56 on
This is the price of having highly regulated markets and minimal wages, along side the health/welfare state. They suck all the money out if the economy and make it more difficult for new businesses and ideas to get going.
The more of the above we have the hard it will get as they are all related.
Tathaagata_ on
When are we going to witness affirmative action for men?
homealoneinuk on
There are jobs around, plenty , but people refuse to take them and would rather sit with parents or on benefits than to do some harder labour.
xParesh on
This reminds me of the hikikomori phenomena in Japan (and now also in China) where young people withdraw from society entirely. They all say, what is the point of engaging in a society where everything is rigged against you?
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That was a good article. It also showed that Labour plans to directly address this:
>Work and Pensions Secretary Liz Kendall has guaranteed training, an apprenticeship or support to find work for all 18 to 21-year-olds. The government also wants to create a national careers service that would help connect people with jobs at a local level.
can confirm.
studied to be a graphic designer but didn’t get a job post graduation, worked various jobs customer service, supermarket, cafes etc.
job centre are trying to push me to be a carer or teaching assistant.
to be honest now that I am not planning to ever have kids or afford my own home outright I am just taking it a day at a time seeing what comes up but overall not getting myself invested anymore because I don’t see what it’s worth.
I get support from family and I provide support back. if I can’t find decent work that affords a lifestyle why bother when I can form a lifestyle that’s low cost outside of work?
The “boy” problem. I listened to a podcast about it the other day. They had one in the early 20th century too. Disaffected young men and teens. That’s when the Boy Scouts got going, partly in response.
The cost of living is increasing significantly. Salaries are not. The average salary amongst young people is about £24K per year. It is not enough especially in the South. Car insurance companies now use imaginary numbers to insure young people also. It is honestly all a mess. It seems every cooperation in the UK (Government included) is desperate for copious amounts of money. It is slowly going to destroy us all.
Who blames them? They’ve been told they are worthless and useless since day 1… No wonder they don’t want to contribute to a society that condones it.
I’ve spent my life doing IT I have a great work history, degree from a top uni and variety of other things.
The job centre wants me to labour on a building site for min wage. With no contract for an agency, with no progression. Or I can be a care assistance for an agency with no progression and no career or contract. Or I can be a cleaner with no contract or career progression.
All for min wage.
They wanted me to be on site by 7.30am.
Get fucked. I’ll get up early to be the software engineer I am trained to be. Pay £20+ an hour and I’ll dig mud.
Better create more women focused grants and opportunities while we make media specifically focused on motivating women and insulting men! That’ll fix this issue
Oh and don’t forget to also “pretend that men never face any hardship and deserve anything bad that happens to them” that’s also a top tip
More people waking up I guess. We gain nothing from wage slaving for 40 years. Average salary in the UK is about £35k. That’s about £28k after tax. Let’s say average rent is £1k/month. So after rents that’s £15k spending money.
People on benefits faking depression get their rents paid for and way more spending money than that. And ofc they don’t pay any tax either
When wages are dogshit, career opportunities are being shredded because we have basically fuck all economy outside of “type in keyboard and add data for a financial or logistics service”, and education & employment leadership teams sees you as bottom of the totem pole for the check boxes they want to fill in, to look like they’re better than the res at hiring outside the norm, you quickly find a whole generation of demotivated individuals that cannot be fucked to help with the country.
Even the armed forces are at it. That used to be the go-to for the disenfranchised & unguided, and they can’t even get into that as easily anymore.
So yeah, what a fucking surprise that they’re sitting there refusing to do shit work for bad pay whilst we see an ever growing quality of life gap, net+ migration (legal and illegal) that pushes wages down, and 10+ years of abject shit governance in infrastructure and education.
I remember when I was applying for some jobs in admin and 1 job in a NHS research lab I looked at the employee list and it was like 95% women. I didnt get that job even though I thought I did good in the interview and I honestly wasn’t surprised. I doubt the applicants for a position like that are 95% women, I thought it was pretty weird.
I can scarcely blame anyone who is reticent about going to work. The jobs market in the UK is a mess: far too many low-wage jobs, many of which don’t even offer stable hours or any kind of work-life balance.
This is the kind of thing which contributes to poor mental health, as it has for me quite often in the past. Who wants to honestly sacrifice their wellbeing when, in addition to the above, they will likely encounter disrespect from bad bosses or horrible colleagues?
Young lads should honestly move abroad, what do you have to lose
To save you reading:
16% male 18-24 vs 13% female
Not *that* significant of a difference.
I mean, every cv I’ve sent out, every job I’ve applied for has been turned down for the last 10 years so my question is, is it a young bloke problem or a scuffed job market problem?
There are incentives for every other race/gender/religion but anything for British born is shot down and called racist/sexist yada yada
Tbh, the guy in the thumbnail looks like he’s having a great time
Do they have to make the NEET picture look quite so cozy? 😅
We are failing a large number of working clas boys and young men. We are allowing them to seek solutions in misogyny and racism. This is what happens when you systematically kill off heavy industry and manufacturing and pull investment from youth services and apprenticeships.
Sadly it is a crisis that few with any clout are willing to fight. Sticking up for boys and their needs tends to get you in trouble from those who think that these children should be punished for the sins of their forefathers for having the tenacity to be born male.
Saying that, the job centre has always been utterly useless. I signed on once when between jobs and they simply had no useful info for me. Just suggested minimum wage cleaning jobs for someone with multiple degrees.
Seeing lots of comments ‘I don’t want a labouring job like the jobcentre says, I’m skilled in X’, yes how dare they offer paying work when you don’t have a job or your own income and there’s jobs going in that industry, do fuck all instead and let me keep paying for your self-entitlement 🙄 And the comments about migrants, I have a higher opinion of them then those making the comments, as the migrants are looking for and keen to work!
Shocking, given how much encouragement they receive /s
The stock photo they used for this seems so piss takey
Patriarchy and male/white privilege really coming through for us here =)
I think I was proto man of this phase. Utterly abandoned by wider society from a very young age and left to rot post secondary school ages 16 to 24 were a terrible time for me. I was abandoned entirely. It makes any claims of minority discrimination or systemic unfairness for women to be wholly unbelievable to me. Our society gives young men nothing to live for. There is no valor, no honour, no dignity and our women in general have exceptional attitude problems and have been entirely unable to change with modern times. Which is fine, they’re free to behave how they wish, but it means there’s nothing for most men to do but keep the lights on for others.
As a man you have to be successful to get anywhere.
As a woman, you can be unsuccessful as long as you can marry well.
I also think social media plays a big role in this. When you see ‘influencers’ with no real skills or achievements earning more than you ever will, it can really put you off wanting to work. There are people on Twitch who get paid just to sleep and weird people watch and they run ads and make money from this. On platforms like OnlyFans, some people earn money simply because they’re attractive.
It feels as though, if you weren’t blessed at birth with superior genetics or some talent, then you will just be destined to a life of wageslavery. Having to work shit boring jobs where you barely make enough to survive, whilst the chosen ones get to experience life to the fullest…
Count me out.
Men always outweigh women at the far ends of the scale on these things, they’ll have the most underachievers but also the most high achievers at the other end.
Seems like the likely outcome when govt has been promoting feminism, women in STEM for past decade or so
My cousin. Super clever, started smoking weed very young. Achieved absolutely nothing with his life since school. Can’t hold down a job. Is entitled, immature and embarrassing.
This is the price of having highly regulated markets and minimal wages, along side the health/welfare state. They suck all the money out if the economy and make it more difficult for new businesses and ideas to get going.
The more of the above we have the hard it will get as they are all related.
When are we going to witness affirmative action for men?
There are jobs around, plenty , but people refuse to take them and would rather sit with parents or on benefits than to do some harder labour.
This reminds me of the hikikomori phenomena in Japan (and now also in China) where young people withdraw from society entirely. They all say, what is the point of engaging in a society where everything is rigged against you?