I wonder what motive Sir Tony B might have to say such a thing?
pikantnasuka on
>Sir Tony was asked whether he accepted that the tragedies of Grenfell, the infected blood scandal and the Post Office scandal meant there had been a “failure of leadership” in government.
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>”This is a difficult thing to say, but it’s the honest truth – however good your system is and however well-intentioned it is, and however hard people work, they’re going to make mistakes,” he replied.
It’s difficult to argue with that. Everyone makes mistakes and no system can completely safeguard against that.
Few_Mud_3061 on
Why are they giving this c#£t air time ? He’s popping up everywhere with his shit stain opinions.
potpan0 on
I don’t get Tony Blair, it just seems like he’s going out of his way to say more and more controversial things to keep his name in the news (and defend anyone who is rich and unethical).
Like what next: ‘Age of consent is too high, says Sir Tony Blair’? ‘Apartheid got a bad rep, says Sir Tony Blair’?
Jodeatre on
Don’t worry it was John Major’s conservative government that messed with the fire brigade having to do fire safety checks in 1997.
judochop1 on
The report says it was avoidable, because it was caused by the very fixable issues of incompetence and greed.
sookmaaroot on
The biggest mistake we ever made was hiring this cunt as a prime minister
AnalTinnitus on
Blair can afford to be realistic (ie, more honest) now that he’s no longer in power. Politicians in office get by on lies and fake optimism.
WalkerCam on
Yes, mistakes happen. But not systemic failures and subsequent coverups for years and years. Honestly why does anyone listen to Blair? He’s clearly evil
Ruhail_56 on
According to redditors we should all live in these shitty cheap high rises over traditional houses because density and fuck personal happiness.
SmoothlyAbrasive on
That is a disingenuous statement if I ever heard one.
Can we stop all multistorey apartment block fires? No. Of course not. But not every apartment block fire is “like” Grenfell. Not every apartment block fire is hundreds of times worse because of unacceptable lapses in fire safety management, questionable maintenance, money first landowners and by the addition of highly flammable materials to the building.
When dangerous cladding is not added, when properties are upgraded to drastically improve fire survivability at the expense of the owners of the land, when maintenance is performed immediately that problems are identified, when well paid people do the jobs they are paid to do properly, results are not as devastating.
Blair is such a double talking piece of conservative minded shit, that it baffles me that he was so influential in the Labour movement. The man can go fuck himself with an arsenic coated masturbatory aid.
purpleplums901 on
The more time goes on, the less kind history is going to be to this wanker and I’m all for it
Cyber_shafter on
Bliar is really in his element here. I can’t believe this cunt still gets airtime.
twoveesup on
He either did not understand the question or is a callous, lying POS, or both.
PurposePrevious4443 on
When unchecked greed is built in to the system he describes, it is inevitable.
__Game__ on
He’s getting more grinch like by the day.
Can we avoid Tony Blair please?
made_from_toffee on
Well his “mistake” saw the unlawful death of millions & destabilised the whole world so I can understand how he can overlook others deadly “mistakes”
Brilliant-Elk-6831 on
As somebody who works in fire safety, this couldn’t be further from the truth. Day in, day out, i am dealing with landlords and contractors who want to take the cheapest route possible in terms of safeguarding property, even knowing the devastating effects that this can cause after Grenfell.
KombuchaBot on
Of course not, that would require a robust system of checks and challenges. You don’t get illegal wars that end up in a nice gravy train as Middle East Peace Envoy jobs-for-the-boys that way, you know.
Why are we listening to anything this cunt has to say?
Psy_Kikk on
Cover ups, closed group, insular authority…conspiracy, atleast on some level, is a fact of life, it is human nature to ‘protect your own’.
And you all do it, to some extent..think of choices you’ve made at work…small things, favours, ‘looking the other way’… yep.
When AI is in charge things might be fair, until then, buckle up for more Hillsboroughs and Grenfells.
DXTRBeta on
You lost me Tony, right about when you said “You’ll just have to trust me Weapons of Mass Destruction” and there were none.
triathletereddituser on
No one in this country is accountable for anything. The system is so corrupt, and until you need to use it-namely anything relating to justice, you wouldn’t believe how bad it is.
Unless you’re extremely rich, you’re nothing in this country now. The systems that should protect ordinary, decent normal people, have been decimated. Building regs-no one enforces them. Trading standards-no resources to do anything. The police-totally under resourced. Tribunal system- corrupt, and if your complaint is against a government employer or arms length body then they will all work against you, etc etc.
there’s shit in our rivers/seas
Energy costs are huge
People are in substandard housing
People waiting an obscene amount of time for healthcare treatment
People have been reduced to pulling their own teeth out
Yet none of the organisations that are there to stop things going to shit, and to put things right when they’ve gone wrong, are ever accountable.
wondercaliban on
“Saddam Hussain has WMDs, trust me bro”
Also, Tony Blair. That wasn’t an “honest mistake”
_WM_8 on
a mistake is one thing but purposeful negligence is another.
a mistake is deleting a spreadsheet or forgetting to respond to an email
purposeful negligence is putting corporate greed above human life.
Created_User_UK on
Mistakes are unavoidable, ergo there is no point regulating anything.
Case in point: the financial industry
And we all know that deregulation of the financial system had ZERO negative consequences
Reluctant_Dreamer on
Probably should make that sort of comment about a disaster that wasn’t easily preventable
blackbirdinabowler on
how about don’t pack people to the sky in glorified death traps?
miowiamagrapegod on
Oh fuck off ultracunt. They can be avoided buy severely punishing the twats who lied about their products being fireproof. End of the day that’s what it comes down to.
chronicnerv on
proof is in the pudding and the result is the government has failed to resolve the issue and neglected its duty.
EccentricDyslexic on
No fan of Tony, but he’s right. We learn(hopefully) from these experiences.
newaccount252 on
Why are they currently changing shit loads of residential cladding if it’s unavoidable
InTheEndEntropyWins on
There are places even now, that have had grants aproved to remove the cladding but the Government hasn’t paid out yet. Complete bullshit that it can’t be avoided.
You just pay out the grants, so the places can remove the cladding.
Administrative_Suit7 on
Is it his portfolio of leaseholds or New Labour’s shoddy new builds that draws him to that conclusion?
Mclovan93 on
The thing is he’s actually right. Horrible to say, but probably will happen again.
d4vinder on
Well Tony, what’s the chance that it would happen at your residence?
It seems both Prescott and the UN secretary General at the time agree it was illegal due to the primary aim of the invasion being ‘regime change’. And ISIS was allowed to come to power because SH was eradicated. This is not difficult to understand for most people.
Chosty55 on
Disasters happen. What’s important is how you deal with it.
Big_Red_Machine_1917 on
No one should be surprised that Tony Blair is arguing that people should not face consequences for their actions.
youdoyoufella on
The man should be in prison for his part in wars we should have never got involved in.
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I wonder what motive Sir Tony B might have to say such a thing?
>Sir Tony was asked whether he accepted that the tragedies of Grenfell, the infected blood scandal and the Post Office scandal meant there had been a “failure of leadership” in government.
>
>”This is a difficult thing to say, but it’s the honest truth – however good your system is and however well-intentioned it is, and however hard people work, they’re going to make mistakes,” he replied.
It’s difficult to argue with that. Everyone makes mistakes and no system can completely safeguard against that.
Why are they giving this c#£t air time ? He’s popping up everywhere with his shit stain opinions.
I don’t get Tony Blair, it just seems like he’s going out of his way to say more and more controversial things to keep his name in the news (and defend anyone who is rich and unethical).
Like what next: ‘Age of consent is too high, says Sir Tony Blair’? ‘Apartheid got a bad rep, says Sir Tony Blair’?
Don’t worry it was John Major’s conservative government that messed with the fire brigade having to do fire safety checks in 1997.
The report says it was avoidable, because it was caused by the very fixable issues of incompetence and greed.
The biggest mistake we ever made was hiring this cunt as a prime minister
Blair can afford to be realistic (ie, more honest) now that he’s no longer in power. Politicians in office get by on lies and fake optimism.
Yes, mistakes happen. But not systemic failures and subsequent coverups for years and years. Honestly why does anyone listen to Blair? He’s clearly evil
According to redditors we should all live in these shitty cheap high rises over traditional houses because density and fuck personal happiness.
That is a disingenuous statement if I ever heard one.
Can we stop all multistorey apartment block fires? No. Of course not. But not every apartment block fire is “like” Grenfell. Not every apartment block fire is hundreds of times worse because of unacceptable lapses in fire safety management, questionable maintenance, money first landowners and by the addition of highly flammable materials to the building.
When dangerous cladding is not added, when properties are upgraded to drastically improve fire survivability at the expense of the owners of the land, when maintenance is performed immediately that problems are identified, when well paid people do the jobs they are paid to do properly, results are not as devastating.
Blair is such a double talking piece of conservative minded shit, that it baffles me that he was so influential in the Labour movement. The man can go fuck himself with an arsenic coated masturbatory aid.
The more time goes on, the less kind history is going to be to this wanker and I’m all for it
Bliar is really in his element here. I can’t believe this cunt still gets airtime.
He either did not understand the question or is a callous, lying POS, or both.
When unchecked greed is built in to the system he describes, it is inevitable.
He’s getting more grinch like by the day.
Can we avoid Tony Blair please?
Well his “mistake” saw the unlawful death of millions & destabilised the whole world so I can understand how he can overlook others deadly “mistakes”
As somebody who works in fire safety, this couldn’t be further from the truth. Day in, day out, i am dealing with landlords and contractors who want to take the cheapest route possible in terms of safeguarding property, even knowing the devastating effects that this can cause after Grenfell.
Of course not, that would require a robust system of checks and challenges. You don’t get illegal wars that end up in a nice gravy train as Middle East Peace Envoy jobs-for-the-boys that way, you know.
Why are we listening to anything this cunt has to say?
Cover ups, closed group, insular authority…conspiracy, atleast on some level, is a fact of life, it is human nature to ‘protect your own’.
And you all do it, to some extent..think of choices you’ve made at work…small things, favours, ‘looking the other way’… yep.
When AI is in charge things might be fair, until then, buckle up for more Hillsboroughs and Grenfells.
You lost me Tony, right about when you said “You’ll just have to trust me Weapons of Mass Destruction” and there were none.
No one in this country is accountable for anything. The system is so corrupt, and until you need to use it-namely anything relating to justice, you wouldn’t believe how bad it is.
Unless you’re extremely rich, you’re nothing in this country now. The systems that should protect ordinary, decent normal people, have been decimated. Building regs-no one enforces them. Trading standards-no resources to do anything. The police-totally under resourced. Tribunal system- corrupt, and if your complaint is against a government employer or arms length body then they will all work against you, etc etc.
there’s shit in our rivers/seas
Energy costs are huge
People are in substandard housing
People waiting an obscene amount of time for healthcare treatment
People have been reduced to pulling their own teeth out
Yet none of the organisations that are there to stop things going to shit, and to put things right when they’ve gone wrong, are ever accountable.
“Saddam Hussain has WMDs, trust me bro”
Also, Tony Blair. That wasn’t an “honest mistake”
a mistake is one thing but purposeful negligence is another.
a mistake is deleting a spreadsheet or forgetting to respond to an email
purposeful negligence is putting corporate greed above human life.
Mistakes are unavoidable, ergo there is no point regulating anything.
Case in point: the financial industry
And we all know that deregulation of the financial system had ZERO negative consequences
Probably should make that sort of comment about a disaster that wasn’t easily preventable
how about don’t pack people to the sky in glorified death traps?
Oh fuck off ultracunt. They can be avoided buy severely punishing the twats who lied about their products being fireproof. End of the day that’s what it comes down to.
proof is in the pudding and the result is the government has failed to resolve the issue and neglected its duty.
No fan of Tony, but he’s right. We learn(hopefully) from these experiences.
Why are they currently changing shit loads of residential cladding if it’s unavoidable
There are places even now, that have had grants aproved to remove the cladding but the Government hasn’t paid out yet. Complete bullshit that it can’t be avoided.
You just pay out the grants, so the places can remove the cladding.
Is it his portfolio of leaseholds or New Labour’s shoddy new builds that draws him to that conclusion?
The thing is he’s actually right. Horrible to say, but probably will happen again.
Well Tony, what’s the chance that it would happen at your residence?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/10/john-prescott-uk-broke-international-law-by-invading-iraq-in-2003
It seems both Prescott and the UN secretary General at the time agree it was illegal due to the primary aim of the invasion being ‘regime change’. And ISIS was allowed to come to power because SH was eradicated. This is not difficult to understand for most people.
Disasters happen. What’s important is how you deal with it.
No one should be surprised that Tony Blair is arguing that people should not face consequences for their actions.
The man should be in prison for his part in wars we should have never got involved in.