Minimal risk and far right go together like oil and water
Bulky_Ruin_6247 on
And it was, very few of those
Convicted of violent disorder were linked to any far right groups. That was just deliberate misinformation from literally every single media source in conjunction with the government to dissuade any more local people from joining in
JimJonesdrinkkoolaid on
Hasn’t there been more referrals to prevent for Far right related terrorism than there has been for Islamic extremism over the last few years? I’m sure I read that.
Obviously these riots weren’t classed as Terrorism, although you have to wonder if in certain cases, they met the threshold for the definition, ie the situation in Rotherham, where they were trying to burn the hotel down with Asylum seekers/migrants inside of it at the time.
However if that’s true regarding Prevent, I don’t know how the far right threat could only be considered minimal.
Bulky_Ruin_6247 on
“The December 2023 assessment came a month after far-right violence in London over the Armistice Day weekend, in which 90 people were arrested“
Surely that’s mostly peaceful then considering far more were arrested at the carnival recently.
Tight_Excitement_409 on
Makes sense. Thers no large international far right terror organisations operating in this country. The far right hasn’t launched any large scale attacks. They aren’t a big concern
rocc_high_racks on
Some of those that work assessments are the same that… wear white vestments?
most_crispy_owl on
I don’t really believe in “the far right” I think it’s blown out of proportion with a few racist individuals and groups, but then ordinary people that want some acknowledgement on migration.
There’s a reason so many voted for Farage despite not being aligned with all of his views.
I cannot understand why we continue our current weak approach
Apprehensive_Ear7068 on
Almost like the media played it up to something it wasn’t.
spubbbba on
The police were probably too busy shacking up with environmental protestors to assess how dangerous the far right really is.
Cute_Kale5800 on
More people died, assaulted and raped at Notting Hill Carnival.
Sea_Cycle_909 on
Probably cause police where more interested in trying inflitrtate trans rights groups or something?
ThatGuyMaulicious on
The far right is not present enough in this country. It was most definitely not as present as Labour and Media’s mis information claims it to be.
youdoyoufella on
No people died, notting hill carnival however has claimed a lot of lives.
absurdmcman on
That’s because the actual far right were indeed a minimal part of what went on here. Lots of frustrated and angry people venting out years of pent up emotions in what they thought was justified rage given the (false) rumours that spread around.
That some far right jumped on the bandwagon and escalated things to their ends isn’t remotely surprising (this has happened with bad actors in almost all protest and uprising movements across the west in recent years, from BLM to Gaza protests), but it was always an absurd reach to suggest that this was the sole lens by which you could and even should view what happened.
The risk is that by ignoring the underlying reasons for the anger and outbursts, and claiming anyone involved in any capacity, or even with any sympathy for those core sentiments, are defacto far right, is that you ironically normalise the far right as a legitimate political actor for increasing numbers of people.
lacklustrellama on
This is the thing people don’t understand about rioting. You don’t necessarily need a complex network of shadowy organisations working behind the scenes to trigger or organise them. Especially so in the age of social media, relatively small, diffuse, and otherwise low impact groups can have an outsized impact with disinformation and emotive language, especially when tensions were already running high.
Northern Ireland is probably the exception, where there is are long standing network of loyalist terror organisations with strong ideological ties to the far right, who are known to choreograph and facilitate rioting.
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Minimal risk and far right go together like oil and water
And it was, very few of those
Convicted of violent disorder were linked to any far right groups. That was just deliberate misinformation from literally every single media source in conjunction with the government to dissuade any more local people from joining in
Hasn’t there been more referrals to prevent for Far right related terrorism than there has been for Islamic extremism over the last few years? I’m sure I read that.
Obviously these riots weren’t classed as Terrorism, although you have to wonder if in certain cases, they met the threshold for the definition, ie the situation in Rotherham, where they were trying to burn the hotel down with Asylum seekers/migrants inside of it at the time.
However if that’s true regarding Prevent, I don’t know how the far right threat could only be considered minimal.
“The December 2023 assessment came a month after far-right violence in London over the Armistice Day weekend, in which 90 people were arrested“
Surely that’s mostly peaceful then considering far more were arrested at the carnival recently.
Makes sense. Thers no large international far right terror organisations operating in this country. The far right hasn’t launched any large scale attacks. They aren’t a big concern
Some of those that work assessments are the same that… wear white vestments?
I don’t really believe in “the far right” I think it’s blown out of proportion with a few racist individuals and groups, but then ordinary people that want some acknowledgement on migration.
There’s a reason so many voted for Farage despite not being aligned with all of his views.
I cannot understand why we continue our current weak approach
Almost like the media played it up to something it wasn’t.
The police were probably too busy shacking up with environmental protestors to assess how dangerous the far right really is.
More people died, assaulted and raped at Notting Hill Carnival.
Probably cause police where more interested in trying inflitrtate trans rights groups or something?
The far right is not present enough in this country. It was most definitely not as present as Labour and Media’s mis information claims it to be.
No people died, notting hill carnival however has claimed a lot of lives.
That’s because the actual far right were indeed a minimal part of what went on here. Lots of frustrated and angry people venting out years of pent up emotions in what they thought was justified rage given the (false) rumours that spread around.
That some far right jumped on the bandwagon and escalated things to their ends isn’t remotely surprising (this has happened with bad actors in almost all protest and uprising movements across the west in recent years, from BLM to Gaza protests), but it was always an absurd reach to suggest that this was the sole lens by which you could and even should view what happened.
The risk is that by ignoring the underlying reasons for the anger and outbursts, and claiming anyone involved in any capacity, or even with any sympathy for those core sentiments, are defacto far right, is that you ironically normalise the far right as a legitimate political actor for increasing numbers of people.
This is the thing people don’t understand about rioting. You don’t necessarily need a complex network of shadowy organisations working behind the scenes to trigger or organise them. Especially so in the age of social media, relatively small, diffuse, and otherwise low impact groups can have an outsized impact with disinformation and emotive language, especially when tensions were already running high.
Northern Ireland is probably the exception, where there is are long standing network of loyalist terror organisations with strong ideological ties to the far right, who are known to choreograph and facilitate rioting.