> A 32-year-old mother and a man who were attacked in two separate incidents over the Notting Hill Carnival weekend have died, the Metropolitan Police said.
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MistyJohnstone on
1m+ people attended. Small price to pay donchaknow.
Greenawayer on
Given there were more deaths at Notting Hill then the Riots, I’m expecting the book will be thrown at anyone inciting Carnival on Twitter…?
Lazlow_Vrock on
I can’t think of any other event where you KNOW that this kind of violence is VERY likely to happen, but you just accept the risk and go ahead with it anyway.
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cosmicdicer on
I’m here just before those “why post crimes committed by xyz” comments, well done to me! Edit to say hi, see you arrived and started downvotes 😂
Exxtraa on
Will probs get downvoted for this but imagine any other event or venue where a stabbing continually happens every single year and still being allowed to have a licence and operate. But then there’d probably be riots if the councils didn’t allow it to go ahead
Rob_Cram on
Ok, all the sarcasm aside, what’s the solution here?
Gated entry with metal detectors and bag search like you might have at other large-scale, organized events. Any vendors selling food would need to make sure any utensils were plastic/paper based. Logistically, would mean gating off all entrances to the carnival area and a huge number of staff to monitor this. Again, costs would probably mean that with all this infrastructure in place, carnival no-longer free entry and a fee attached to pay for it.
Would not guarantee that there be no stabbings though. There would also need to be restrictions to the area prior to the event. So that any would be unsavoury types don’t come and stash weapons in bushes and gardens before the event and retrieve them when events commence.
It’s just a nightmare.
As an ex-raver back in the day. We all just turned-up to illegal raves and none of this would happen. Any idiots got delt with by the attendees themselves. Shame this doesn’t happen now. Perhaps more a London thing?
balloonfish on
Why is the comment section filled with such smug cunts. Two people are dead. But gotcha!!!!
EmeraldJunkie on
The absolute state of this comments section. Two people have died and you’re all too busy wanking yourselves silly about how little you like black people. Absolutely abhorrent.
Roadman culture has filled the void in the lives of young men where community, support, opportunity, should be instead, but we’ve manufactured a society where the individual matters more than the collective; it’s no wonder that those who rely on community support fall through the cracks and seek meaning in whatever group will accept them. Every few years there’s a new group, a new subculture, that the media latches on to and blames for society’s ills. I’m old enough to remember talking heads on the BBC calling for garage music to be banned because it was “promoting violence and drug use”, and now there’s articles on the same website talking about how efforts need to be made to preserve the genre. The same with rap, hip hop, metal, ska, each have been part of subcultures that the media has blamed for causing cracks in society, even though that damage comes from the top, not the bottom.
Anyone with two brain cells to rub together will point to the lack of local services, the collapse of the local community, as the root cause in the uptick in violent crime in the inner city, but people are too blinded by bigotry and too trapped in their own little bubbles to see the bigger picture. People who’d rather have kids shot in the street by a militaristic police force than have support from their communities. Disgraceful.
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One of the deaths happened 30 minute walk away from the carnival location and happened four hours after the main events at the carnival finished. Doesn’t sound like the victim was at the carnival
Even if the killer attended the event it doesn’t sound like it happened during or in the carnival. Its like someone being stabbed 30mins away fro
a music venue after the band has gone, but the band gets blamed
Red_Dog1880 on
I don’t understand this argument that because it’s so large it’s hard to police.
Scale it down then.
e_g_c on
Bang some saucepans together then stab yourself. You’ve had the full experience.
Chopstick84 on
Main argument I hear is that 99.9% attending don’t get stabbed so it’s fine. Then bring up some stabbing statistics. It’s not fine.
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> A 32-year-old mother and a man who were attacked in two separate incidents over the Notting Hill Carnival weekend have died, the Metropolitan Police said.
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1m+ people attended. Small price to pay donchaknow.
Given there were more deaths at Notting Hill then the Riots, I’m expecting the book will be thrown at anyone inciting Carnival on Twitter…?
I can’t think of any other event where you KNOW that this kind of violence is VERY likely to happen, but you just accept the risk and go ahead with it anyway.
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I’m here just before those “why post crimes committed by xyz” comments, well done to me! Edit to say hi, see you arrived and started downvotes 😂
Will probs get downvoted for this but imagine any other event or venue where a stabbing continually happens every single year and still being allowed to have a licence and operate. But then there’d probably be riots if the councils didn’t allow it to go ahead
Ok, all the sarcasm aside, what’s the solution here?
Gated entry with metal detectors and bag search like you might have at other large-scale, organized events. Any vendors selling food would need to make sure any utensils were plastic/paper based. Logistically, would mean gating off all entrances to the carnival area and a huge number of staff to monitor this. Again, costs would probably mean that with all this infrastructure in place, carnival no-longer free entry and a fee attached to pay for it.
Would not guarantee that there be no stabbings though. There would also need to be restrictions to the area prior to the event. So that any would be unsavoury types don’t come and stash weapons in bushes and gardens before the event and retrieve them when events commence.
It’s just a nightmare.
As an ex-raver back in the day. We all just turned-up to illegal raves and none of this would happen. Any idiots got delt with by the attendees themselves. Shame this doesn’t happen now. Perhaps more a London thing?
Why is the comment section filled with such smug cunts. Two people are dead. But gotcha!!!!
The absolute state of this comments section. Two people have died and you’re all too busy wanking yourselves silly about how little you like black people. Absolutely abhorrent.
Roadman culture has filled the void in the lives of young men where community, support, opportunity, should be instead, but we’ve manufactured a society where the individual matters more than the collective; it’s no wonder that those who rely on community support fall through the cracks and seek meaning in whatever group will accept them. Every few years there’s a new group, a new subculture, that the media latches on to and blames for society’s ills. I’m old enough to remember talking heads on the BBC calling for garage music to be banned because it was “promoting violence and drug use”, and now there’s articles on the same website talking about how efforts need to be made to preserve the genre. The same with rap, hip hop, metal, ska, each have been part of subcultures that the media has blamed for causing cracks in society, even though that damage comes from the top, not the bottom.
Anyone with two brain cells to rub together will point to the lack of local services, the collapse of the local community, as the root cause in the uptick in violent crime in the inner city, but people are too blinded by bigotry and too trapped in their own little bubbles to see the bigger picture. People who’d rather have kids shot in the street by a militaristic police force than have support from their communities. Disgraceful.
One of the deaths happened 30 minute walk away from the carnival location and happened four hours after the main events at the carnival finished. Doesn’t sound like the victim was at the carnival
Even if the killer attended the event it doesn’t sound like it happened during or in the carnival. Its like someone being stabbed 30mins away fro
a music venue after the band has gone, but the band gets blamed
I don’t understand this argument that because it’s so large it’s hard to police.
Scale it down then.
Bang some saucepans together then stab yourself. You’ve had the full experience.
Main argument I hear is that 99.9% attending don’t get stabbed so it’s fine. Then bring up some stabbing statistics. It’s not fine.