This article is describing 50 individual secondary schools suspending 25% or more of their pupils.
Can you imagine a quarter of people in your school year group having had a suspension?
Desocialisation during lockdowns significantly damaged the social skills of young people and the facts above about spiking school suspension rates speak for themselves.
Shocking figures, but this post will be downvoted by this sub because these facts are inconvenient to their worldview that the actions we took during the pandemic didn’t leave lasting damage on the young.
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I can understand suspensions as a tool for keeping children separated from others but as a punishment tool I do not really understand the logic behind them at all.
When were suspensions introduced as a tool? Why? Was having to go to work instead of school the punishment originally? Is it out of date? What’s the ‘success’ rate of their use? Does it act as a prevention? Does the effectiveness decline after multiple uses? What is the impact to the economy, if any?
Anybody have suspensions as a child? What is your opinion on them? Did it make a difference at what age?
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I was suspended a few times in school.
Ironically, it was for bunking off and getting into fights. I’ve never started a fight, I was constantly bullied and having to defend myself.
Sometimes, it was for a day or 2. Other times, I was out for weeks.
My mum worked full-time, but our neighbour was a stay at home mum. I would stay with her and just hang out playing computer games (and doing other things) with her daughter, who was the same age as me, and just flat out refused to go to school.
Independent_Fish_847 on
From friends who teach, some kids are taught by parents to disrespect teachers. “They teach because they failed at a real job.” And “They can’t tell you what to do.” It’s rooted in misogyny.
Add in the Tate hate pushed at kids that says a slap keeps women in line. WTF right? But it means you get young teens, many at 80kg and tall, punching away. Schools have no option but to keep staff safe.
Hate is an epidemic.
TOMMYxGUNN on
This isn’t really a very “Reddit” thing to say, but sometimes you have to think of what’s best for the majority.
If a child is disruptive to a class of 30 others learning, then removing them benefits everyone.
The issue here is the declining behaviour of children/people in general and it’s interesting that children’s access to and use of smart phones isn’t mentioned in the article. That for me is a root issue that is getting some traction thankfully.
VixenRoss on
My son was suspended 3 times. He needs a specialist education school. He keeps getting pushed into mainstream again and I get told it’s my parenting. His last school were providing one to one lessons.
WillWatsof on
Something you don’t read in these stories about record exclusions is when the last year of record exclusions was.
It was 2019. Before that it was 2018. Before that it was 2017.
We had a huge drop during the pandemic lockdowns, and this is the year that the upward trend resumes and reaches it’s pre-pandemic levels. With a big spike definitely, but to people who work in education this is not a sudden new issue – this has been the way things have been trending for years.
The issue here is that we’ve had budgets slashed to the point that we can’t afford to employ the non-teaching staff that provide the support these children need. We don’t have enough mental health workers, enough classroom support, enough pastoral care staff. Class sizes have bloomed to the point that one-on-one support is limited. It’s very easy to blame the pandemic, or the kids themselves, or the parents … but the truth is that teachers have been warning about a collapse of the school system due to the funding crisis for years, and this is what that looks like.
easy_c0mpany80 on
Isolation booths, frequent suspensions and strict behaviour regimes look set to be phased out in England as the Labour government shifts focus on how to keep the most vulnerable pupils in school.
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There has been a [54% jump in suspension rates in year 7s in just 5 years](
https://www.theguardian.com/education/article/2024/aug/25/bubble-of-post-pandemic-bad-behaviour-among-pupils-predicted-to-peak).
This article is describing 50 individual secondary schools suspending 25% or more of their pupils.
Can you imagine a quarter of people in your school year group having had a suspension?
Desocialisation during lockdowns significantly damaged the social skills of young people and the facts above about spiking school suspension rates speak for themselves.
Shocking figures, but this post will be downvoted by this sub because these facts are inconvenient to their worldview that the actions we took during the pandemic didn’t leave lasting damage on the young.
I can understand suspensions as a tool for keeping children separated from others but as a punishment tool I do not really understand the logic behind them at all.
When were suspensions introduced as a tool? Why? Was having to go to work instead of school the punishment originally? Is it out of date? What’s the ‘success’ rate of their use? Does it act as a prevention? Does the effectiveness decline after multiple uses? What is the impact to the economy, if any?
Anybody have suspensions as a child? What is your opinion on them? Did it make a difference at what age?
I was suspended a few times in school.
Ironically, it was for bunking off and getting into fights. I’ve never started a fight, I was constantly bullied and having to defend myself.
Sometimes, it was for a day or 2. Other times, I was out for weeks.
My mum worked full-time, but our neighbour was a stay at home mum. I would stay with her and just hang out playing computer games (and doing other things) with her daughter, who was the same age as me, and just flat out refused to go to school.
From friends who teach, some kids are taught by parents to disrespect teachers. “They teach because they failed at a real job.” And “They can’t tell you what to do.” It’s rooted in misogyny.
Add in the Tate hate pushed at kids that says a slap keeps women in line. WTF right? But it means you get young teens, many at 80kg and tall, punching away. Schools have no option but to keep staff safe.
Hate is an epidemic.
This isn’t really a very “Reddit” thing to say, but sometimes you have to think of what’s best for the majority.
If a child is disruptive to a class of 30 others learning, then removing them benefits everyone.
The issue here is the declining behaviour of children/people in general and it’s interesting that children’s access to and use of smart phones isn’t mentioned in the article. That for me is a root issue that is getting some traction thankfully.
My son was suspended 3 times. He needs a specialist education school. He keeps getting pushed into mainstream again and I get told it’s my parenting. His last school were providing one to one lessons.
Something you don’t read in these stories about record exclusions is when the last year of record exclusions was.
It was 2019. Before that it was 2018. Before that it was 2017.
We had a huge drop during the pandemic lockdowns, and this is the year that the upward trend resumes and reaches it’s pre-pandemic levels. With a big spike definitely, but to people who work in education this is not a sudden new issue – this has been the way things have been trending for years.
The issue here is that we’ve had budgets slashed to the point that we can’t afford to employ the non-teaching staff that provide the support these children need. We don’t have enough mental health workers, enough classroom support, enough pastoral care staff. Class sizes have bloomed to the point that one-on-one support is limited. It’s very easy to blame the pandemic, or the kids themselves, or the parents … but the truth is that teachers have been warning about a collapse of the school system due to the funding crisis for years, and this is what that looks like.
Isolation booths, frequent suspensions and strict behaviour regimes look set to be phased out in England as the Labour government shifts focus on how to keep the most vulnerable pupils in school.
https://www.theguardian.com/education/article/2024/jul/20/english-schools-to-phase-out-cruel-behaviour-rules-as-labour-plans-major-education-changes