it’s a small step, but until there’s a Butterly in jail it’s not any kind of justice.
Liamario on
Why are we paying for this? Someone definitely has to pay, but I’m not sure why the Irish government is paying out.
fourpyGold on
Look I’m willing to be downvoted but this seems excessive and something the taxpayer shouldn’t be on the hook for.
miju-irl on
It’s horrible what happened, but I thought this was all about justice and nothing to do with money.
And why is the taxpayer on the hook for this?
Massive-Foot-5962 on
wtf are they spending our money on.
Ok_Magazine_3383 on
For people asking why the taxpayer has to pay for this:
The initial tribunal inquiry’s incorrect determination that the fire was caused by arson not only meant the Butterlys were not liable to civil action from the families and survivors, but also meant they were actually able to claim and receive public compensation themselves.
It then took a 43 year long and often adversarial campaign by the families to get this incorrect determination dismissed and a new inquiry ordered, which found that the victims were in fact unlawfully killed in a fire that was not started deliberately.
As a result, the state issued a formal apology to the victims for its failure to deal with the aftermath of the fire appropriately. That failure and mistreatment of the families on the part of the government is why the taxpayer is paying redress.
Equivalent_Two_2163 on
Where is butterly in all of this ?!
ou812_X on
I’m not against this. I don’t think the taxpayer should be paying for it though. The cost should be recouped from the butterfly’s holdings and the insurance company (at the time).
The state fucked up at the time either covering for people or just by sheer incompetence so they’re also on the hook.
Ultimately it’s not a lot of money versus having the person in your life for most of that time.
PaxUX on
Why am I paying for this??? Is the state assuming responsibility?
Altruistic_Papaya430 on
If this is a case of state funds being used to compensate the families now while gearing up to chase the Butterlys, then so be it.
If this is a case of the state coughing up whilst the private sector perpetrators ride off into the proverbial sunset like what’s happening up in Donegal, then it really needs to become an issue on the doorsteps in the coming election that the state needs to frankly grow a large fucking set of bollocks & teeth to put a stop to this shite of the connected gombeens running amok.
Note that I fully empathize with both MICA & Stardust victims & believe they are deserving, but it needs to stop becoming the states issue
Xeamus4Toes on
I wasnt born when this happened. I have been paying tax for 20 years.
Symphaties for families.
But why am I paying? What am I paying for?
brisbanekev on
Why?
meok91 on
It sickens me, like many others, that the Butterly family have gotten away Scot free, yet again. Government expenditure is now in excess of €100bn annually, while I would like to see the Butterly’s pay, I am okay with this one off payment that is a drop in the bucket of the country’s budget if it at least brings to families some measure of peace.
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BOOO!!! or Hooray?
it’s a small step, but until there’s a Butterly in jail it’s not any kind of justice.
Why are we paying for this? Someone definitely has to pay, but I’m not sure why the Irish government is paying out.
Look I’m willing to be downvoted but this seems excessive and something the taxpayer shouldn’t be on the hook for.
It’s horrible what happened, but I thought this was all about justice and nothing to do with money.
And why is the taxpayer on the hook for this?
wtf are they spending our money on.
For people asking why the taxpayer has to pay for this:
The initial tribunal inquiry’s incorrect determination that the fire was caused by arson not only meant the Butterlys were not liable to civil action from the families and survivors, but also meant they were actually able to claim and receive public compensation themselves.
It then took a 43 year long and often adversarial campaign by the families to get this incorrect determination dismissed and a new inquiry ordered, which found that the victims were in fact unlawfully killed in a fire that was not started deliberately.
As a result, the state issued a formal apology to the victims for its failure to deal with the aftermath of the fire appropriately. That failure and mistreatment of the families on the part of the government is why the taxpayer is paying redress.
Where is butterly in all of this ?!
I’m not against this. I don’t think the taxpayer should be paying for it though. The cost should be recouped from the butterfly’s holdings and the insurance company (at the time).
The state fucked up at the time either covering for people or just by sheer incompetence so they’re also on the hook.
Ultimately it’s not a lot of money versus having the person in your life for most of that time.
Why am I paying for this??? Is the state assuming responsibility?
If this is a case of state funds being used to compensate the families now while gearing up to chase the Butterlys, then so be it.
If this is a case of the state coughing up whilst the private sector perpetrators ride off into the proverbial sunset like what’s happening up in Donegal, then it really needs to become an issue on the doorsteps in the coming election that the state needs to frankly grow a large fucking set of bollocks & teeth to put a stop to this shite of the connected gombeens running amok.
Note that I fully empathize with both MICA & Stardust victims & believe they are deserving, but it needs to stop becoming the states issue
I wasnt born when this happened. I have been paying tax for 20 years.
Symphaties for families.
But why am I paying? What am I paying for?
Why?
It sickens me, like many others, that the Butterly family have gotten away Scot free, yet again. Government expenditure is now in excess of €100bn annually, while I would like to see the Butterly’s pay, I am okay with this one off payment that is a drop in the bucket of the country’s budget if it at least brings to families some measure of peace.