the pronouns of the translation are wrong, turkish to english always puts the “she s” to “he s” .
original turkish text:
Buse ve Elena’ya Dair…Buse hakkında çok şey yazılıp çizildi. Türkiye adına yarıştığı için cok eleştirildi. Ama karma evililik çocuğu olduğu için tercih yapma hakkı yoktu.. Annesi Psikobulu, kök Kıbrıslı.. Buse de Kıbrıs da doğdu, kıbrıs kültürü ve gelenekleriyle büyüdü ama Babası İstanbullu olduğu için Kıbrıs vatandaşlığı alamadı.Elena 2019 da ailesi ile bırlıkte Kıbrıs’a geldi. Babası parayla altın pasaport satın aldığı için Kıbrıs vatandaşı oldu ve Kıbrıs’ı bu sayede olimpiyatlarda temsil edebildi..Bir tarafta Kıbrıs da doğup büyüyen Buse, Diğer tarafta Kıbrıs ile hiç bir bağı olmayan Rus asıllı Elana..Elena Kıbrıs için yarışa biliyor ama Buse Kıbrıs için yarışamıyor.. Bu durumdan dolayı ne Buse’yi ne de Elana yı suçlayabiliriz.. Her Ikisi de hayallerinin peşinden koşan insanlar..Işte bu yüzden insanları eleştirmeden önce şapkamızı önümüze koyup öz eleştirimizi yapmamız gerekiyor. Empati kurmalı, nasıl karmaşık bir düzen de yaşadığımızı sorgulamalı ve yapıcı çözümler bulmaya çalışmalıyız..
DoomkingBalerdroch on
What does psychobolic mean?
Ashamed_Arm_1721 on
What happened now?
Right_Helicopter9304 on
Ελα ρε μαλακιες. Δηλαδή θέλει να πιστέψω πως αν έκανε αίτημα για να εκπροσωπήσει την Κύπρο δεν θα την αφήναμε;
yayayamur on
Sorry im an outsider, why isnt she able to represent cyprus? I thought cyprus considered people in northern cyprus to be their citizen aswell since they dont recognize northern cyprus
PikrovrisiTisMerikas on
One is the byproduct of a policy of settler genocide and the other is a a naturalized Cypriot
-4E- on
The difference is that Elena’s father came to Cyprus legally. It was up to the government we elected to give him citizenship and it is up to our own government to remove his citizenship if we so choose, like we did in several other cases.
Buse’s father came to Cyprus illegally as part of the Settler colonialism policy of Turkey which aims to make the Turks the dominant population of Cyprus. We can’t stop Turkey from bringing these Settlers to Cyprus, but it doesn’t mean we should give them and their children the RoC citizenship, as this would encourage more of them to come to Cyprus and result in us eventually becoming the minority of RoC citizens.
So this isn’t about 1 person. We can’t have 1 rule for this specific person because she is a good athlete, and then a different rule for everybody else like her.
If somebody who has 1 TC parent and 1 Turkish parent is labeled a “TC” then eventually we will have a whole lot more Turks in Cyprus who are labeled “TCs” and have the RoC citizenship. For example if she had children with a Turk from Turkey, her children would be 75% Turk and 25% TC in reality, but they would be labeled as just TCs and have the RoC citizenship too.
AdhesivenessBig7891 on
One came here legally, one came here as an illegal settler (and now she wants to represent us? Someone who supports a violent war & percecution, now wants our help to chase her dreams?)
Until she comes out as an athlete with influence to criticize the wrong-doings of Turkey, let her wear the Turkish flag, that’s all she is until then!
Obama_Bin_Laden116 on
I understand both sides of the argument. This is a tough question. Giving citizenship to the children of settlers is basically recognition of the illegal settlers and the ethnic cleansing that Turkey has committed. On the other hand her mother is a native which should entitle her for a citizenship. Honestly this can genuinely be argued either way but it just goes to show how insanely complicated the division and any possible solutions are.
JohnLDidntDieOfLigma on
I want to say three things:
—
# This person is a settler.
>Born in Lefke, in the Turkish Republic of North Cyprus (TRNC), to an African-Turkish mother, Faika, from Episkobu, Limassol, and paediatric father Ilhan Savaşkan, who is originally from Sarıyer in Istanbul
This person has 25% Cypriot and 50% occupier/illegal settler heritage. Should we bend over?
—
# We have rules for a reason.
* Not her fault? Maybe.
* Is citizenship hereditary? Yes.
* Are we better off with Buse as a Cypriot? Hard no.
Committing crimes has consequences. Let’s keep it like that.
—
# The entire thing is made up for clicks.
* Are golden passports OK?
No, and Al jazeera ran a 3-day reportage when Tatar announced the taking of Ammochostos.
* Does Elena even have a golden passport?
> Al Jazeera’s investigations have highlighted that Koulichenko’s parents, originally from Russia, obtained Cypriot passports in 2018. The investigations also mention that her father, Alexei Kulichenko, owns a company sanctioned by Ukraine following Russia’s annexation of Crimea in 2014.
Aljazeera *implies* it.
* Would she qualify to the Olympics regardless?
Yes. She would qualify with Russia too. The only controversy is made up for arab-turkish clicks.
eev200 on
Buse is a victim not only of Cypriot policies, but also of Turkish policies, and I’m sorry for her. I hope Buse uses her status and platform to advocate for the peaceful solution to the Cyprus problem.
zaccyp on
Plenty of other countries have people not born there representing them in sports. I don’t see the issue. Look at the world cup ffs lol I think it’s great if she feels like a Cypriot and wants to represent us. At least they’re integrating, which is more than I can say for most Russians and Israelis.
Krysik on
Hypothetical question. If I as a foreigner where to have a child with a TRNC (born citizen) would that child also not be allowed to represent the RoC?
Or is this purely a case of her father being from Turkey.
philalfa on
If the person writing this could use English we might actually understand the point.
ChocolatePositive577 on
He ? She ? His !? Her ? Ia m
So confused with the article writing.
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the pronouns of the translation are wrong, turkish to english always puts the “she s” to “he s” .
original turkish text:
Buse ve Elena’ya Dair…Buse hakkında çok şey yazılıp çizildi. Türkiye adına yarıştığı için cok eleştirildi. Ama karma evililik çocuğu olduğu için tercih yapma hakkı yoktu.. Annesi Psikobulu, kök Kıbrıslı.. Buse de Kıbrıs da doğdu, kıbrıs kültürü ve gelenekleriyle büyüdü ama Babası İstanbullu olduğu için Kıbrıs vatandaşlığı alamadı.Elena 2019 da ailesi ile bırlıkte Kıbrıs’a geldi. Babası parayla altın pasaport satın aldığı için Kıbrıs vatandaşı oldu ve Kıbrıs’ı bu sayede olimpiyatlarda temsil edebildi..Bir tarafta Kıbrıs da doğup büyüyen Buse, Diğer tarafta Kıbrıs ile hiç bir bağı olmayan Rus asıllı Elana..Elena Kıbrıs için yarışa biliyor ama Buse Kıbrıs için yarışamıyor.. Bu durumdan dolayı ne Buse’yi ne de Elana yı suçlayabiliriz.. Her Ikisi de hayallerinin peşinden koşan insanlar..Işte bu yüzden insanları eleştirmeden önce şapkamızı önümüze koyup öz eleştirimizi yapmamız gerekiyor. Empati kurmalı, nasıl karmaşık bir düzen de yaşadığımızı sorgulamalı ve yapıcı çözümler bulmaya çalışmalıyız..
What does psychobolic mean?
What happened now?
Ελα ρε μαλακιες. Δηλαδή θέλει να πιστέψω πως αν έκανε αίτημα για να εκπροσωπήσει την Κύπρο δεν θα την αφήναμε;
Sorry im an outsider, why isnt she able to represent cyprus? I thought cyprus considered people in northern cyprus to be their citizen aswell since they dont recognize northern cyprus
One is the byproduct of a policy of settler genocide and the other is a a naturalized Cypriot
The difference is that Elena’s father came to Cyprus legally. It was up to the government we elected to give him citizenship and it is up to our own government to remove his citizenship if we so choose, like we did in several other cases.
Buse’s father came to Cyprus illegally as part of the Settler colonialism policy of Turkey which aims to make the Turks the dominant population of Cyprus. We can’t stop Turkey from bringing these Settlers to Cyprus, but it doesn’t mean we should give them and their children the RoC citizenship, as this would encourage more of them to come to Cyprus and result in us eventually becoming the minority of RoC citizens.
So this isn’t about 1 person. We can’t have 1 rule for this specific person because she is a good athlete, and then a different rule for everybody else like her.
If somebody who has 1 TC parent and 1 Turkish parent is labeled a “TC” then eventually we will have a whole lot more Turks in Cyprus who are labeled “TCs” and have the RoC citizenship. For example if she had children with a Turk from Turkey, her children would be 75% Turk and 25% TC in reality, but they would be labeled as just TCs and have the RoC citizenship too.
One came here legally, one came here as an illegal settler (and now she wants to represent us? Someone who supports a violent war & percecution, now wants our help to chase her dreams?)
Until she comes out as an athlete with influence to criticize the wrong-doings of Turkey, let her wear the Turkish flag, that’s all she is until then!
I understand both sides of the argument. This is a tough question. Giving citizenship to the children of settlers is basically recognition of the illegal settlers and the ethnic cleansing that Turkey has committed. On the other hand her mother is a native which should entitle her for a citizenship. Honestly this can genuinely be argued either way but it just goes to show how insanely complicated the division and any possible solutions are.
I want to say three things:
—
# This person is a settler.
>Born in Lefke, in the Turkish Republic of North Cyprus (TRNC), to an African-Turkish mother, Faika, from Episkobu, Limassol, and paediatric father Ilhan Savaşkan, who is originally from Sarıyer in Istanbul
This person has 25% Cypriot and 50% occupier/illegal settler heritage. Should we bend over?
—
# We have rules for a reason.
* Not her fault? Maybe.
* Is citizenship hereditary? Yes.
* Are we better off with Buse as a Cypriot? Hard no.
Committing crimes has consequences. Let’s keep it like that.
—
# The entire thing is made up for clicks.
* Are golden passports OK?
No, and Al jazeera ran a 3-day reportage when Tatar announced the taking of Ammochostos.
* Does Elena even have a golden passport?
> Al Jazeera’s investigations have highlighted that Koulichenko’s parents, originally from Russia, obtained Cypriot passports in 2018. The investigations also mention that her father, Alexei Kulichenko, owns a company sanctioned by Ukraine following Russia’s annexation of Crimea in 2014.
Aljazeera *implies* it.
* Would she qualify to the Olympics regardless?
Yes. She would qualify with Russia too. The only controversy is made up for arab-turkish clicks.
Buse is a victim not only of Cypriot policies, but also of Turkish policies, and I’m sorry for her. I hope Buse uses her status and platform to advocate for the peaceful solution to the Cyprus problem.
Plenty of other countries have people not born there representing them in sports. I don’t see the issue. Look at the world cup ffs lol I think it’s great if she feels like a Cypriot and wants to represent us. At least they’re integrating, which is more than I can say for most Russians and Israelis.
Hypothetical question. If I as a foreigner where to have a child with a TRNC (born citizen) would that child also not be allowed to represent the RoC?
Or is this purely a case of her father being from Turkey.
If the person writing this could use English we might actually understand the point.
He ? She ? His !? Her ? Ia m
So confused with the article writing.