Hello Everyone.I stumbled upon a video of a famous turkish youtuber.I was shocked cause he does not generally make videos about politics but religion(he is agnostic).He is known to be someone who improved himself with reading countless books,iam saying this because recently he gained alot of fame by discussing and "winning" againts islamic supporters.
Now iam going to be honest.Iam Turkish and this is a topic that iam highly confused of.I have to say i dont deny genocide and i dont have luxury to do it since my ancestors were exiled from crimea in 1944,my mother’s side recently come to Turkey.However i still have alot of questions
Naturally i wanted to see the video.Someone famous for his honesty and referencing sources everytime he talks,i wanted to hear what he has to say.The video is 50 minutes with english subtitles and historical sources he is refering to.
Long story short,he denies this to be considered a genocide.Now i dont have knowledge to refute the things he says later on the video and this is one of the reasons why i made this posts,since the video have subtitles i would love if someone points out a fabrication,lie or manupilation if it even exist.Spesifically from the start i noticed something.From 3.00 3.40 he talks about "and in no case they could not manage to build an empire that was named ‘Armenia’ or comprehensive enough to be the origin of todays Armenia"Iam no historian but what about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Armenia_(antiquity)) ?I was shocked to hear such statement from someone like him.Is he right about what he says or am i missing something?
https://old.reddit.com/r/armenia/comments/1dudjzn/a_video_about_genocide_denial/
Posted by SkyLordBaturay
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His arguments between 3:00-3:40 are the dumbest thing I’ve heard. Yes we call ourselves hay and we call Armenia Hayastan but the idea that these two can’t equate to each other because they have different names are dumb af.
1.In Greek the name for Greece is Hellas, does that mean that the greeks who live there aren’t the real natives of the land
2.It’s funny how he’s albanian-Turkish and brings up this argument because Albania in albanian is called “Shqipëria”.
The names for countries in different languages can stem from different reasons regarding how the other people who met them for the first time perceived them as, geographical location of the people etc.
Here are one of the explanations as to why we are called Armenians and not Hay:s in english:
“Hayastan was given the name Armenia by surrounding states, as it was the name of the strongest tribe living in the historic Armenian lands, who called themselves Armens. It is derived from Armenak/Aram (great-grandson of Haik’s great-grandson”
It could be that when the greeks stumbled upon the Armenians for the first time they met the dominant armenian tribe at that time. It’s also really important to distinguish Tribe from a different ethnicity. The Kurds have different tribes who speak different dialects and have different cultures (soranis,kurmanji,feyli etc.) but they are all Kurds. The armenians did not adhere as long to the tribal system.
If the said youtuber could read, he would be very upset.
**Resources on the Armenian Genocide:**
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide)
[https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-armenian-genocide-1915-16-in-depth](https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-armenian-genocide-1915-16-in-depth)
[https://www.armenian-genocide.org](https://www.armenian-genocide.org)
[http://www.genocide-museum.am](http://www.genocide-museum.am)
[The ICTJ report](http://www.armeniapedia.org/wiki/International_Center_for_Transitional_Justice), an independent legal analysis ordered by the Turkish Armenian Reconciliation Commission, with high ranking Turks including with Turkish government affiliation. It makes the case quite clear, and lays it out in Turkish as well.
[A scholarly article](http://www.armeniapedia.org/wiki/Professional_Ethics_and_the_Denial_of_Armenian_Genocide) which shows quite clearly some of the methods of the Turkish government denial campaign, and more interestingly, that the Turkish government itself clearly knows that it was a genocide and accepts this internally, as do the scholars they pay to deny it.
[The open letter to Erdogan from the IAGS](http://www.armeniapedia.org/wiki/International_Association_of_Genocide_Scholars), the association of the world’s top genocide scholars, led by the man who literally wrote the genocide encyclopedia. They wrote the letter in response to his call for Armenia and Turkey to “study the issue”. Just one page, it packs a serious punch.
[A legal analysis of the Armenian Genocide carried out by Geoffrey Robertson QC](http://www.groong.org/Geoffrey-Robertson-QC-Genocide.pdf) intended to expose how the British ministers and the UK Parliament have been misled.
**Documentaries:**
[German documentary which narrates the genocide through witness accounts mostly involving German officials who were allies of the Turkish government which perpetrated the genocide.](https://youtube.com/watch?v=ybSP04ajCDg)
[Blood Brothers: A documentary by a Turkish filmmaker where he goes in search of the truth about the genocide.](https://www.bnnvara.nl/bloedbroeders/english)
[Raphael Lemkin explaining how he established the definition of genocide based on the Armenian Genocide.](https://vimeo.com/125514772)
**Podcast:**
[The Great Crime: A Podcast History of the Armenian Genocide](https://www.amazon.com/Great-Crime-Podcast-Armenian-Genocide/dp/B08K59SFJS)
**Books:**
[The Armenian Genocide: A Complete History by Raymond Kévorkian](https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Armenian_Genocide.html?id=tbaKDwAAQBAJ)
[A Shameful Act The Armenian Genocide and the Question of Turkish Responsibility by Taner Akçam](https://books.google.com/books/about/A_Shameful_Act.html?id=2vtOPgAACAAJ)
[The Armenian Genocide: Evidence From the German Foreign Office Archives, 1915-1916 edited by Wolfgang Gust](https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Armenian_Genocide.html?id=McsxDwAAQBAJ&redir_esc=y)
[Survivors: An Oral History Of The Armenian Genocide](https://www.amazon.com/Survivors-Oral-History-Armenian-Genocide/dp/0520219562/) (The genocide through first-hand stories of survivors)
[Armenian Golgotha: A Memoir of the Armenian Genocide](https://www.amazon.com/Armenian-Golgotha-Memoir-Genocide-1915-1918/dp/1400096774/) (A remarkable account by an individual)
**Others:**
[r/AskHistorians](/r/AskHistorians) recommending reading material to a [nationalist Turkish audience](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/dqmqdw/i_have_finally_convinced_my_fiercely/).
[Informative thread in /r /AskHistorians](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/pjo3r5/turkey_lost_15_of_its_population_in_wwi_and/)
Funny thing, the Turkish guy that used to do the cooking things with really big food items, like burger, and that huge smile he always maintains. Who became ultra-famous.
He is also “not political” but from What I remember he also posted on April 24 a post of himself with a Turkish flag, and the captions being “Kim Kardashian should stop lying”.
So nothing new for us.
Most Turkish people are hopeless unfortunately. The indoctrination starts at an early age and clearly people become more hateful and ignorant the older they get.
I’m not going to analyze the video or contribute to the main question of the thread but it’s just crazy how we consistently need to “prove” the horrors our own ancestors went through; a genocide that is not only well documented by Europeans and Americans of the time for its cruelty and barbarity, but which was one of the catalysts for the word “genocide” to even be coined in the first place.
When you think about something like the holocaust and holocaust denial, it’s hard to imagine a video by a mainstream creator “disproving” the holocaust and the systematic cleansing of the jews not getting removed the second it’s posted, let alone get so many views. However, we always seem to be in the position of having to unearth trauma, trying to prove something that is extensively documented and proven already.
What turkish genocide deniers do best is obfuscate reality, confuse the viewer by twisting minor details that make no sense to sound smarter than they are and hope no one actually does follow-up research on their own.